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Every week I try a different meat-substitute product just to see if I like them. I keep visiting supermarkets which claim to sell Beyond and I’m yet to find one. The other issue with many meat subs: they usually have insanely high saturated fat content. At least if replacing beef, make it a healthier alternative.
E.g. I just ate some Impossible chili, and it was great!
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The thing is... this is not a solved problem, by far. You forget all that leather used in a myriad of products, that leather comes from cows. Or feathers and down from various birds. Or the other million side products of animal husbandry, that I'm not even aware of. I think almost every part of a cow is used in an industrial process, not much is wasted. Plus, this needs a totally vegan solution and you're wiping out…
The entire western market isn't going to simultaneously and instantly stop eating meat. There won't suddenly be a day when all the herds are culled because everyone finally stopped eating meat at once. If it ever happens (I'm hopeful but not optimistic), it will be a gradual process, and industries will have lots of time to adapt. But even that aside, it's not our duty as consumers to keep eating animals to keep indu…
My point is, what are we going to replace those with? Especially leather & co. They have real life applications, they're not just fads. Plus, will those replacement products be sustainable? Vegan leather is just rebranded plastic, for example.
I'm equally curious, but I don't know the numbers, if replacing plastic packaging with paper/cardboard is environmentally sound. I remember back in the day efforts to reduce paper consumption, I think our sustainable paper production capacity was near its limits.
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The thing is... this is not a solved problem, by far. You forget all that leather used in a myriad of products, that leather comes from cows. Or feathers and down from various birds. Or the other million side products of animal husbandry, that I'm not even aware of. I think almost every part of a cow is used in an industrial process, not much is wasted. Plus, this needs a totally vegan solution and you're wiping out…
There's synthetic leather too. And there's vegan cheese https://www.reddit.com/r/vegancheesemaking and of course vegan yogurt etc. (you can make yogurt with coconut milk for example)
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Even in one of the countries with the highest percentage of vegetarians (India; though you can argue that poverty has an impact, since we know that meat consumption goes up with revenue), vegetarians and vegans only make up about 30% of the population. In the rest of the world it's generally max 10%, if not 5% or lower. So for any of these companies go make it big, they need to cater to the 90%+ of people who like me…
While 30% of Indians are strictly vegetarian, I would suggest that probably another 40% are largely vegetarian, only eating meat occasionally. Growing up in a major city in India, we ate maybe a single chicken based meal a week, and this was largely the norm in my social cohort. While a major reason was definitely money (poultry and red meat is ridiculously expensive in comparison to the vegetarian staples), it's als…
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I don't think he's saying that. He's saying that we ate all of those AND meat, and meat was actually meat, you know, a tried and tested substance on which entire species subsist, while the new thing is a super complex mix of stuff we don't really understand.
Which is just an appeal to nature and/or tradition. If they want to say something of value then they should present data showing that these products are not as healthy as an otherwise identical diet consisting of real meat.
An appeal to nature and/or tradition is not inherently a fallacy.
We KNOW for a fact that meat is a valid food, and we also know almost all of its downsides.
We definitely don't know the downsides of all these new "foods". And unfortunately it's the kind of thing that will take decades and decades to figure out.
See for tobacco, for example: https://youtu.be/GMOyNgLSX2g?t=1801
But in any case, since I don't have conclusive evidence this is bad for us, I'm perfectly fine with others being Guinea Pigs and I'll be perfectly happy to eat it once there are government mandates in place to ban meat consumption and have it replaced with artificial meat :-)
Every week I try a different meat-substitute product just to see if I like them. I keep visiting supermarkets which claim to sell Beyond and I’m yet to find one. The other issue with many meat subs: they usually have insanely high saturated fat content. At least if replacing beef, make it a healthier alternative.
Wow that's some dedication. What are you hoping for exactly doing this? Are you not scared it will likely plain poison you eventually trying all those experimental stuff?
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Thanks for the input. Not sure to what extent the links support the assertion > "associated with chronic degenerative diseases including renal diseases" "in a hypertension-independent manner" > https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/healthy-eating/eat-s ... Excess levels of sodium/salt * may* put you at risk for: Excess levels of sodium/salt * may* cause increased water retention that leads to: (my emphasis) > https…
> I'll see your citations, and raise you: > https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33351135/ Sodium intake, life expectancy, and all-cause mortality Good overview of the poor design of that study and many others that make statements that very much go against the plurality of high quality evidence: "While calling for a controlled trial to provide “robust evidence” to support the current global policies, Mente et al. lend the…
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Which is just an appeal to nature and/or tradition. If they want to say something of value then they should present data showing that these products are not as healthy as an otherwise identical diet consisting of real meat.
> Which is just an appeal to nature and/or tradition. An appeal to nature and/or tradition is not inherently a fallacy. We KNOW for a fact that meat is a valid food, and we also know almost all of its downsides. We definitely don't know the downsides of all these new "foods". And unfortunately it's the kind of thing that will take decades and decades to figure out. See for tobacco, for example: https://youtu.be/GMOyN…
This is the part where you bring out the "processing" boogeyman, right? Like people haven't been eating processed foods for decades too?
[0] with the exception of the heme in Impossible burgers I suppose, which did undergo animal testing and was approved by the FDA same as drugs you've likely taken that were approved in the past decade.