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Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by camel_Snake »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #797
alphabetting wrote: post #779

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I think the point still stands. 6 of the top 10 on Youtube got their large followings being making content for Youtube. 0% of the top 50 on Twitter are primarily known for their tweets.

> 0% of the top 50 on Twitter are primarily known for their tweets. Why limit yourself to the top 50? 0% of all Twitter users are primarily known for their tweets. Tweets are, by design, unsuitable for publishing content. They're useful for advertising content you publish somewhere else.

Anecdotal but Lil Nas X was very well known on twitter before he got popular. I recognized his handle from screenshots and made the connection only after Old Town Road came out.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by oso_gigante »

borroka wrote: post #946
HWR_14 wrote: post #881

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Stephen King would not pay. He doesn't need Twitter. He can spend that time writing another book convert to a substack or something.

I don't need Twitter, since I rarely post on the social, I don't use it for work, and it kind of annoys me too, and if it disappeared I would forget about its existence in two weeks, like I forget about my favorite podcast three days after they started their 3-week summer vacation. I don't need to go to the gym, but I have been going for about 30 years. If they forced me to spend an extra $8 a month, maybe I would mo…

On a similar note I feel like Elon is the Ultimate Tweeter in the sense of validation (and amount of validation) he seems to get from posting. I've been wondering if it colored his perception of how the average person interacts with Twitter.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by therealdrag0 »

sedatk wrote: post #878
therealdrag0 wrote: post #872

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Who’s telling the poor to shut up?

Paid users will get priority over unpaid users in replies as Elon explained.

And? what does that have to do with poor people? The entire economy is run on charging money. Are you saying “Kellogg is telling poor people to starve for charging for cereal!” Or is there something special about twitter for you to complain about? Why are poor people entitled to free twitter? They’re not entitled to free cars or free smartphones or free Netflix or free WhatsApp business accounts or free Fastmail or free UPS or free TV Ads are they?

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by 93po »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #655
pkulak wrote: post #454

Elon is the PM from hell. Has some shower thought and starts throwing tickets on everyone's board 45 minutes later. This is why the Model X has those silly doors.

How do you reconcile that view with Elon's successful ventures, e.g. the other Tesla's, Starlink, and SpaceX?

It's reconciled that these people have elon derangement syndrome and insist that they know his business better than he does despite never having done anything like it before in their lives

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by 93po »

yrgulation wrote: post #743
pkulak wrote: post #454

Elon is the PM from hell. Has some shower thought and starts throwing tickets on everyone's board 45 minutes later. This is why the Model X has those silly doors.

I like those doors, i like variety.

space man has them on his car therefore they're bad and everything he does is bad

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by baby »

watwut wrote: post #828
baby wrote: post #609

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As a big twitter user that badge already has quite the status symbol

It is status symbol, because twitter nurtured it as a status symbol. You could not get it, unless their commission decided you are notable enough. The impossibility to get it and the social approval that comes with it are what made that status symbol.

True, I’m wondering how this will change now that you can just buy it. It might become this “if you don’t have it you might be a spam account” or smthg

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by jdlshore »

elicash wrote: post #900
jdlshore wrote: post #766

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Again, although you’re technically correct, I don’t think it changes my overall point.

If you’re evaluating value, it’s helpful to think about it in those crude terms. If you’re likely to get, say, 4-5 new followers a month from the increased impressions then I think this is good value as an ad product. Part of your point, not the main one admittedly, was grappling with whether to sign up, aka the value here. I understand you were mostly making an incentives point and there I think we just disagree.

In terms of value, I think it's going to be more about avoiding anti-value—specifically, I expect that accounts lacking the checkmark will be seen as spam, scams, or bit players.

Here's what I expect to happen:

1) First, Twitter introduces paid verification. They cut back on their content moderation efforts on unverified accounts, but they exercise more control of spam and scams on verified accounts, including permabans (which are easier to enforce, due to better knowledge of the people behind the accounts—a credit card number, at the very least).

2) Next, they introduce an option to hide all non-verified tweets, other than from people you follow. People will use it because non-verified tweets have a much higher proportion of spam and scams.

3) At this point, they've successfully price discriminated between professional content creators (such as myself) and consumers / casual creators. I expect additional price discrimination to follow, such as charging for API access in order to target people using tools such as HootSuite to manage large fanbases.

All of this is predicated on people adopting #1, which is why it's important for Musk to find the right price point. It looks like he's just spraying out ideas, but I think he's doing price research.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by blaser-waffle »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #817
bandyaboot wrote: post #598

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Are you saying he won’t leave or that he will accept paying money to Elon Musk for his checkmark?

He won't leave. Not sure if he cares about the blue checkmark enough to pay, but he is rich enough not to care. His net worth is half a billion.

His publicist will care, and they probably charge him way, way more per month than $20.

SK will hem and haw but 6 months from now his team will quietly reinstate the account.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Post by elicash »

jdlshore wrote: post #967
elicash wrote: post #900

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If you’re evaluating value, it’s helpful to think about it in those crude terms. If you’re likely to get, say, 4-5 new followers a month from the increased impressions then I think this is good value as an ad product. Part of your point, not the main one admittedly, was grappling with whether to sign up, aka the value here. I understand you were mostly making an incentives point and there I think we just disagree.

In terms of value, I think it's going to be more about avoiding anti-value—specifically, I expect that accounts lacking the checkmark will be seen as spam, scams, or bit players. Here's what I expect to happen: 1) First, Twitter introduces paid verification. They cut back on their content moderation efforts on unverified accounts, but they exercise more control of spam and scams on verified accounts, including permab…

This is all speculation about what they could announce -- even most of the items in (1). You could always re-evaluate if these things come to pass. Once this initial plan rolls out, whether the check itself continues to hold value once it's open to anybody with $$$ depends on how users in the network use it. That's why I prefer to think in terms of the specific reach/advertising question.

But we'll see! My own speculation is that they lean more into trying to convince ordinary users (or content creators like you) to get more into the advertising game to replace some brands that may leave. Think of dating apps and features like Super Likes, Boosts, etc. Tinder and others figured out how to get money out of regular folks without a traditional ads interface. If I were them, I'd hire folks from Match Group.

Frankly, I'd rather see an ad for a random content creator than for some of the weird brands that advertise to me. Right now the top "Who to follow" for me is Lamps Plus, "the nation's largest lighting retailer." As you could imagine, I'm not interested. Instead, they could give everyone a free 30-min account boost and give their premium Blue members four or five more a month.

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