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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by outside1234 »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #549
netcan wrote: post #497

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Because the most intimidating part is arranging a secret police visit to his parents. Students arguing politics, even if uncivil, isn't something you want to be "no tolerance" about. There are lines though, and this is one.

Anyone who;s attended a western university has seen how ... emotional? the politcals can get. I think this is probably a good thing, so it's tough to determine when the line is crossed. It sounds like it was definitely crossed here but it's still a tough minefield to navigate.

Emotions are fine - sending the secret police to a parent's home - not fine and the student should be expelled.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by coupdejarnac »

PastelDeNata wrote: post #920
coupdejarnac wrote: post #841

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I don't think jumping down someone's throat for innocent ignorance is too productive. And speaking as someone who has lived in China, their misconceptions of the West are comically bad as well. That's what you get with state controlled media and people learning about the West by watching Friends or Transformers.

> And speaking as someone who has lived in China, their misconceptions of the West are comically bad as well. Not sure who you met, but a typical young person in China (aged under 40) would know more about the West than a young person in the West would know about China. Young people in China also know how to use VPNs to bypass the 'Great Firewall' to find whatever information they require.

Are you speaking from any first-hand experience here? What people know is what they see in tv and movies.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by graphenus »

I wonder what motivated Chinese students to offend the poor guy from Hong Kong. I can think of several plausible reasons: - pure fanaticism of CCP China - such bullying is just the norm in daily lives where they grew up - someone from Chinese special services approached them and their families and pressured them to make such comments (to peer pressure)

Knowing that they made to the USA makes me believe that the first one is improbable and the last reason is so convincing.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by selimthegrim »

throwawaylinux wrote: post #452
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #351

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Let me google that for you https://duckduckgo.com/?q=legislature+bill+crt&t=h_&ia=web

No need to be snarky, I didn't know what term to search for. This is the first actual bill that comes up from those search results - https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/234... Now the problem is I'm not a lawyer or expert in reading laws or understanding how they would be interpreted. The bill aims to prevent the following kind of theories being taught, ones that say: (A) any race is inherently s…

You realize that B and C would ban any discussion of the Dred Scott decision if read literally? Think about Stephen Douglas’ arguments in his debates —- we couldn’t discuss those either?

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by gumby »

coliveira wrote: post #952
gumby wrote: post #882

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China is quite far from being the richest country in the world by any measure.

You can fool yourself as long as you want. Just stop reading the news.

I look at the underlying data. The news is full of excitable suggestion because that gets attention.

China's managed to lift a huge number of people out of poverty and deserves credit for that. They did it at a terrific cost in human life and rights and they deserve opprobrium for that, in particular for the continued and now increasing level. We have plenty of examples from history that such an approach is not sustainable.

Regardless, if you look at the numbers the odds of significant further growth are dubious. China remains quite poor on per capita GDP, even on a PPP basis it is in the lower half of countries. It has an enormous unemployment problem, and a huge demographic overhang. Corruption, false statistics, and cronyism remain dominant in the economy and government, more reminiscent of a small state than a massive one, and all of which make it very difficult to manage large shocks.

I'm not saying the PRC is some benign kumbaya entity. But they have deep structural weaknesses that are not discussed much because it's more useful to various people to point elsewhere.

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Post by throwoutway »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #953
throwoutway wrote: post #942

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It’s about time politicians and school administrators start taking control of costs and tuition. We shouldn’t call them tightwads for it.

He severely cut staff benefits as part of the belt tightening.

He was governor during the financial crisis wasn't it? Sounds like it was necessary measures since Indiana can't finance debt per its own constitution.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by coliveira »

gumby wrote: post #965
coliveira wrote: post #952

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You can fool yourself as long as you want. Just stop reading the news.

I look at the underlying data. The news is full of excitable suggestion because that gets attention. China's managed to lift a huge number of people out of poverty and deserves credit for that. They did it at a terrific cost in human life and rights and they deserve opprobrium for that, in particular for the continued and now increasing level. We have plenty of examples from history that such an approach is not susta…

> China remains quite poor on per capita GDP, even on a PPP basis it is in the lower half of countries.

This is exactly why China has such a huge growth ahead. Just to get to the level of countries like Australia this will make their economy several times the size of US.

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Post by whythre »

throwaway21_ wrote: post #936
rackjack wrote: post #747

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The Chinese government has seeped its way into nearly every facet of American life. This is most visible in Disney movies (see: the Mulan and Lion King remakes) but it is happening to many companies and universities where they use our own greed against us. I hope America will wake up and realize we have fighting a hidden war, but we are so divided I doubt we'll notice until we've lost, if we notice at all.

You mean you want US to be even more jingoistic? It won't be an easy task for sure as I'm reading propaganda pieces almost every day for a last few years in a places that earlier were almost politics free (ars technica, hn...) - regular new sites not to mention.

Supporting the US over China’s regressive regime hardly requires jingoism.

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Post by toomuchtodo »

coliveira wrote: post #967
gumby wrote: post #965

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I look at the underlying data. The news is full of excitable suggestion because that gets attention. China's managed to lift a huge number of people out of poverty and deserves credit for that. They did it at a terrific cost in human life and rights and they deserve opprobrium for that, in particular for the continued and now increasing level. We have plenty of examples from history that such an approach is not susta…

> China remains quite poor on per capita GDP, even on a PPP basis it is in the lower half of countries. This is exactly why China has such a huge growth ahead. Just to get to the level of countries like Australia this will make their economy several times the size of US.

China’s population is already too old and their total fertility rate decline too steep for the growth you’re arguing for to occur.
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