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Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 4:19 PM UTC

mensetmanusman wrote: post #715

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The rate of shooting in the USA was always strange to me. I'm from Ukraine, one of the poorest countries in Europe, the country that on hybrid "civil war" with Russia help for the militia. There are many ex-militaries from volunteers who go to volunteer battalions. And many of them return with guns. But even with a state like that, you probably won't hear any gunshots in cities in your life. The first time I heard on…

Gangs in certain areas are the issue. I support solving it with money, eg paying people to relocate.

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Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by betwixthewires » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 4:19 PM UTC

wittycardio wrote: post #956

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What exactly do you mean by political will? The US fought a war of attrition for 20 years and finally withdrew, their enemy being in a better position than before the invasion. You wouldn't call that a defeat? Why exactly do you think that a better armed and much larger force, one that is the economic backing of the military they'd be facing, would stand less of a chance?

Politicians ran on the promise of getting the troops out of Afghanistan. They chose to leave , the Taliban didn't force them to. You're imagining a situation where the government is choosing to bully the population into submission. There are tools far more powerful than guns that they have at their disposal. Cutting off food / water / electricity / internet is a far easier way to threaten a population than attack the…

> Your idea of a militia standing up to a government is essentially historical cosplay.

I'm not saying it is going to happen, I'm only saying it can happen with an armed population, and cannot happen without an rmed population.

"Political will" is something that happens in populations, not a leadership class. The US chose to end a war of attrition because they lost. Plain and simple.

In the event of some domestic problem going that far there would be basically no political will to continue military action, and if the government continued without that it would quickly be viewed as illegitimate, lead to instability and a larger uprising.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by lowkey_ » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 4:37 PM UTC

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The Taliban was fighting against the US though, with all their high-tech drones and such, which are usually cited as the reason that guns are futile against the state.

i don’t know enough about the military strategy that allowed the taliban to seize control, so i can’t argue with you there. but i do want to point out how your argument could be interpreted as advocating for guns so a tyrannical regime like the taliban can take over a government.

That is fair and I agree with the assessment!

My argument is advocating for guns so that a population can determine its own fate, and not be subject to either domestic or foreign top-down control against its own will.

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Post by pg_1234 » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 4:57 PM UTC

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> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really The US is at 4.96/100,000 for 2012. For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2. If by not remarkable you mean 3 as bad as other developed countries, sure. The numbers are only for intentional homicide, not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the…

The US is not that bad compared to other New World countries. From your link we see Brazil at 27, Mexico at 29, Argentina at 5, Uruguay at 12, Greenland at 5, Panama at 9, and Costa Rica at 11. Canada is the biggest outlier, but the US still has less homicide than even relatively nice New World countries. If you’re going to tout France’s low homicide rate of 1.2, I’d invite you to observe that Japan’s homicide rate i…

Congratulations, you've just successfully argued that the USA is a third world country.

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Post by throwaway09223 » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 5:00 PM UTC

asquabventured wrote: post #853

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" if Brazil and Mexico are our points of comparison" Almost half of all US homicides are drug/gang related, so obviously there will be links to south american countries where these enterprises also operate. If you want to avoid high crime, move north. Northern states have a homicide rate roughly half the national average.

You ever heard of Chicago? Up to the minute crime statistics in this northern state city with some of the most restrictive gun control can easily be found. [1.] [1.] https://heyjackass.com

Yes, and Mexico has even more restrictive gun control with many times more murders than the USA.

It's pretty clear that gun control is not the most significant factor.

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Post by sofixa » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 5:44 PM UTC

klyrs wrote: post #875

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Have there been attempts to introduce censorship in the US that have been defeated by armed activists? No, because there _are_ armed activists. Were there violent uprisings against censorship in the UK, Canada, or Australia that failed due to a lack of access to arms? See Hong Kong of late. Many banners seen during free-speech protests there lamented their lack of a "2nd Amendment".

> No, because there _are_ armed activists. No, because despite whatever the talkshows say, both parties and especially the judiciary are largely committed to preserving constitutional rights. There's disagreements on finer points of where the lines are drawn, but that's handled in courts and legislation, and rarely ever guns ablazing. Compare to Hong Kong, which is not governed by consent of the governed.

> No, because despite whatever the talkshows say, both parties and especially the judiciary are largely committed to preserving constitutional rights

Wasn't there an impeachment procedure blatantly sabotaged by one of said parties like last year? Didn't the same party blatantly say they're stacking the supreme court in their favour up to the last possible moment, in an extremely hypocritical manner after refusing to accept Obama's nominees in his last year? Didn't multiple US presidents abuse and violate human rights with illegal wars and torture, mass surveillance? Didn't a US president order the murder of a US citizen without due process? Didn't a US state create a blatantly unconstitutional law for witch hunting women ? From across the pond, it seems that most US politicians in power, mostly from one of the parties, are wiping their asses with the the US constitution.

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Post by KorematsuFredt » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 5:55 PM UTC

Jedd wrote: post #499

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PS: I am strong supporter of Gun rights and proud gun owner. I fully agree with anti-gun crowd that having vast majority of guns in hands of citizens (legally or illegally) leads to more deaths. USA's comparison with Angola is actually more serious than the numbers tell you because you need to realize that USA has far better medical response and doctors trained to handle gunshot wounds. So to truly compare Angola and…

> PS: I am strong supporter of Gun rights and proud gun owner. I don't understand the pride bit. It seems like a regrettable situation where your distrust of your fellow citizens is so strong that you are comforted by the ability to kill them with minimal effort. (I'm in Australia, where we have some truly horrendous legislation, but I totally agree with our gun ownership laws here, and echo other people's observatio…

> It seems like a regrettable situation where your distrust of your fellow citizens

It is other way around. People who want gun bans do not trust the fellow citizens and hence want to restrict their freedom of owning firearms. Gun lovers on other hand are some of the nicest people around, we want everyone women, lgbtq, blacks, whites, asians and everyone to own firearms and we trust them to be responsible for it.

Pride part :

1. I come from a long line of fighters. Weapons are part of our lifestyle and no government or law can stop my family from being armed. (Though we will always obey law).

2. Guns are a symbol of individual freedom. There is an inherent responsibility to protect one and their private property and community. I will not hesitate to use violence to fight a tyranny.

Australia is practically under house arrest today and we see articles like :

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/coronavirus/nsw-covid-upda...

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Post by sofixa » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 6:02 PM UTC

Throwawayaerlei wrote: post #398

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Yeah - I think that's the core, outlier events are extremely bad. I think there are real things that could be done short of a total ban, but the issue in the US it's a constitutional right so it's hard to restrict in any sensible way and it's politically impossible to amend. As it is, the policy question is accepting the tradeoff of the right to bear arms vs. rare, but extremely awful death of school children. I'm no…

outlier events are extremely bad Don't forget the history of the 20th Century where such "outlier events" included 100 million previously disarmed people killed by Communists running their countries, and the Left likes to remind us of the small death tolls in right wing countries, although many of those were fighting communists. See also the WWI era Armenian Genocide which was so ignored by the rest of the world it c…

Anyone who dismisses any of the "white terrors" and the general repressions/pogroms/genocides (Nazi Germany, Francoist Spain, Argentina, Chile, Imperial Japan, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Greece, Bulgaria etc.) that happened in right wing countries isn't to be taken seriously.

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Post by AdrianB1 » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 8:06 PM UTC

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They are not so violent compared with US gangs.

And the US gangs aren't so violent compared to the Brazilian gangs in the favelas or the Mexican drug cartel gangs; what does this have to do with it?

The point is that in Romania you don't really need guns to protect yourself from gangs.

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Post by Throwawayaerlei » Fri, Sep 17, 2021, 8:23 PM UTC

sofixa wrote: post #968

Throwawayaerlei wrote: post #398

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outlier events are extremely bad Don't forget the history of the 20th Century where such "outlier events" included 100 million previously disarmed people killed by Communists running their countries, and the Left likes to remind us of the small death tolls in right wing countries, although many of those were fighting communists. See also the WWI era Armenian Genocide which was so ignored by the rest of the world it c…

Anyone who dismisses any of the "white terrors" and the general repressions/pogroms/genocides (Nazi Germany, Francoist Spain, Argentina, Chile, Imperial Japan, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Greece, Bulgaria etc.) that happened in right wing countries isn't to be taken seriously.

Then I guess it's a good thing I not only brought them up, but didn't dismiss them. But only the ignorant, idiots or partisan Leftists claim the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (Aberter as in worker) is "right wing." Even if these national socialists were at daggers drawn with international socialists from their founding, would in fact be a footnote in history without the existential threat from Communists.

I'd grant you Imperial Japan, but I wasn't talking about them or what they did, which you fail to notice was done to others, non-Japanese peoples. Like how I noted the Armenian (and lessor known but still significant Greek) genocides by Muslims running Turkey were also of a different nature.

Meanwhile, you might want to try a legitimate reply attacking what I said, not myself.