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Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by jackson1442 »

kyrra wrote: post #817
burntsushi wrote: post #778

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're missing the point. /r/conservative censoring views or users is just fine. They can define the norms of their own community and enforce them. Just don't hypocritically declare that other people can't also do the same. That's the point here. The hypocrisy.

If you read messages from the moderators, its normally not about censoring, it's more about keeping up with moderating content. That sub is heavily brigaded (I saw some based that was at 17% upvote). And any sub that has toxic comments on it will be removed by the admins. Going flare only makes their job way easier.

Saying this implies that anyone can get a flair, so long as they are not brigading. This is not true, even according to the moderator comments. "Only mods can assign User Flair, and User Flair is only for conservatives"[0].

So no, going flair-only is explicitly to silence those of differing opinions.

Don't get me wrong, they are well within their rights to do so, it is _their_ subreddit, after all. However, if they're going to dance around and act like a bastion of free speech, maybe it's time for some introspection.

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/wiki/index/flair_rules...

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by andreareina »

saagarjha wrote: post #866
mkl wrote: post #736

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HN doesn't start users shadow banned - just look for the green new-account usernames. Your account didn't start shadow banned either. Here's your first comment, visible to all: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25410162 New accounts are more likely to get shadow banned, especially if they post many comments with links or post inflammatory remarks.

Hacker News does start off many people with a shadowban–I know because I have vouched for many of these initial comments.

Is it really a shadowban if you could vouch for them? Shadowban is when the poster sees their stuff looking normal and no-one else (modulo mods) sees it at all right?

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by staticautomatic »

hef19898 wrote: post #691
joshstrange wrote: post #641

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Agreed, the irony of /r/conservative complaining about censorship or their rights to free speech being restricted while making submitting posts and commenting "flaired users only" (AKA only the users who agree with us and think the same way) is completely lost on them...

I am slowly suspecting that being capable of tremendous levels of cognitive disoance, without realizing it, is one of the common denominators of radicals. Quite obvious in right wingers, but I wouldn't exclude others, I just saw it more at the right end of the political spectrum.

To the contrary, many radicals, including the ones you’re referring to, are incapable of handling cognitive dissonance. Consider the destitute right-wing radical who fights against economic assistance programs because they conflict with his moral world view.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by quantified »

This may have been covered in the previous 900 comments, but...

Did security researchers leak the messages, videos and posts? Or did they access them (i.e. Parler leaked them to the researchers)? Seems the headline is misleading.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by Eupolemos »

rob74 wrote: post #127
Eupolemos wrote: post #87

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I don't know how it works "over there", but where I'm from "URL-hacking" is not considered hacking, but data publicly available.

...and you are 100% sure that if this got before a court, the decision would go your way?

No, I am not a lawyer.

I did some reasearch though, and indeed there seems to be an untried case where, if it is obvious that the owner of the data wants to keep it secret, it isn't okay. It is in danish so you'll likely need som google translate or somesuch, search for URL hacking: https://projekter.aau.dk/projekter/files/305754822/Speciale_...

But as a rule, it is on par with an email sent to a wrong recipient. https://www.version2.dk/artikel/lovraad-slaar-fast-url-hacki...

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by Eupolemos »

ViViDboarder wrote: post #184
Eupolemos wrote: post #87

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I don't know how it works "over there", but where I'm from "URL-hacking" is not considered hacking, but data publicly available.

I’m assuming, but the USA then. What country is that?

Denmark.

It is considered on par with an email sent to a wrong recipient. There might be an exception though, but it is untried in the courts, AFAIK.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by heavyset_go »

cbozeman wrote: post #514
mrzimmerman wrote: post #458

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You're purposefully being reductionist about this. People having their brains hit with racist or violent rhetoric over a long period of time will be changed by that. They human brain adapts to it's environment, expecting certain inputs and if it's receiving /pol light on Twitter then it starts to expect it. On top of that, it's only a matter of time before they're linked to one of the many .win site that sprang up af…

There's a huge degree of just outright horseshit here. I've been browsing /pol/ for years, hell almost decades. Its a great place to go to get an idea of just how fringe certain elements of society are becoming. I was actually actively browsing when QAnon was making his posts there. I thought they were just as ridiculous and far-fetched then as I do now. People become radicalized largely because some condition in the…

To quote a violent rioter screaming at the police on January 6th, "We're the business owners of America, and we don't have your back anymore!"

I watched lawyers, doctors and owners of IT companies attack the Capitol.

There are very few struggling coal miners who can afford to fly into DC during the week along with hundreds of dollars in riot gear in order to spend a few days rioting.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by raffraffraff »

sdenton4 wrote: post #479
liminal wrote: post #420

I see a number of people here describing Parler as "unmoderated", but it turns out they do have extensive moderation [1] that they use to ensure ideological conformity in their posts. Then the most active users were paid for their content too [2]. This really makes it more of a propaganda weapon than a free speech platform. [1] https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347939939120533506 [2] https://twitter.com/donk_enby…

This really is the rule, not the exception. Every time I've deigned to wade into conservative "free-speech" zones I've been booted out for ideological nonconformity. Tolerance is a peace treaty: https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1...

It's not just conservatives. This is this how the internet works now, and it applies to liberal bubbles too. Maybe it's my rose-tinted glasses, but I don't remember the internet being this bad before social media. You could chat on a forum (that was neither hard left not hard right) and play the devil's advocate if you wished. People forget that the first person they should debate honestly is themselves. Online discussion was a great way to have conversations as the devil's advocate. It was a great way to explore a subject. As long as you argued in good faith, used logic and conceded points when they were fairly won, you could have a long (and possibly fruitless) discussion without getting blocked, banned, threatened or called a Nazi.

Nowadays, liberal isn't "how you act" or "what your values are", is an identity. People identify as liberal: kind, right and "definitely not nazis". If you disagree with them, then you must be evil, right?

I've given up trying to explore contentious issues online. It's impossible to take a different view on a hot topic without getting blocked and reported. You don't even have to take a polar opposite view or get snarky. Sometimes you only have to ask a valid question (now known as a dog-whistle). It doesn't matter if you've got science or logic to back it up.

Someone said it on HN yesterday - the old words are failing us. I no longer recognise this thing that they call "liberal" today. I see it as "woke" - a cult, with dogma, heresies and grand inquisitors.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by ForHackernews »

mike00632 wrote: post #949
ForHackernews wrote: post #586

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Apparently Parler collects phone numbers and scans of government-issued ID. I suspect most people in a Western country would find it difficult to "burn" their legal name and birthdate.

Really? Parler requires an image of an ID? I've heard this claim elsewhere but I just assumed it was misinformation. I can't imagine so many people sending in photos of their ID to have access to Parler. Even the ones who didn't know that openly planning murders is wrong there are many users who would know to hide their identity, right?

I've never used Parler but credible articles I've seen claimed that you could create an account and read/follow without uploading your ID, but you had to provide ID in order to be "verified" and allowed to post/share photos and video (and maybe text? Not sure on that).

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by TomSwirly »

cutitout wrote: post #251
RIMR wrote: post #146

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No. These guys ARE the bad guys. Not "because the media said so". They are objectively the bad guys. Parler's members are the rejects that couldn't survive on mainstream platforms due to their poor conduct. That userbase just planned and executed an attempt at insurrection against the US government. The market overwhelmingly has agreed that Parler violated ethical standards egregiously enough that severing business t…

> I fail to see the importance of these people's privacy in the wake of recent events. I also fail to have sympathy for people who trusted this hacked-together Twitter clone with their personal information. Then I fail to have any sympathy and solidarity with you. You're just another violent extremist in my eyes, and the enemy of my enemy is not my friend by a long shot.

> You're just another violent extremist in my eyes,

Can you explain how not caring that a bunch of people got their data leaked makes you a "violent extremist"?

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