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I think you have formed a rather negative opinion of rms without having ever met him or spoken with him. This is common in politics, so I don't blame you, but I don't think you're serving yourself or anyone else well.
I fail to see how meeting someone in person is a requirement to form an opinion on them based on their public actions. Claiming that it is, though, sure sounds like a common dismissive tactic in politics, and especially when defending people who otherwise commit undesirable, even detestable public actions ("but he's a great guy, he'd never hurt anyone" etc).
Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th
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Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th
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That sounds improbable, and if enacted, grounds for a much heavier suit against Apple. Even if Apple has beef with Epic, I don't see how Apple could refuse third parties who want to use Epic's software as part of their product in Apple stores. There's an element of people using UE4 being in contract with Epic by default, but presumably Apple has no basis to say you must not have a business relationship with Epic in o…
See Washington Post coverage: "Apple cuts off Epic from its tools, endangering future Unreal Engine projects on iOS and Mac".[1] There's a certain amount of posturing here, but if neither side backs down and the court doesn't issue an injunction, further development with Unreal Engine on Apple platforms stops. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2020/08/17/apple-...
[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2020/08/18/does-apple...
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Nope. I personally run with this setting: https://it.nmu.edu/docs/allowing-third-party-applications-in... Amazingly it then lets me run all the open source I want that I download from the internet but am too lazy to build myself.
This setting has been removed from recent macOS versions.
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Apple is the curator of the product. They can do what they want. Maybe at some point I won't buy it. But totally agree they have every right to do this.
Is John Deere the curator of the "tractor" product, so they have every right to determine who can repair it? Is Chamberlain the curator of the garage door opener product, so they can determine what remotes can be used? You may prefer a world where DRM and the DMCA can be leveraged beyond preventing copying to constrain consumer choice, but I consider that a poorer and less innovative world. https://www.eff.org/wp/uni…
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The big question here is one simple thing: property. Imagine someone selling you a house and despite that you think you own the house the seller defines what things you can or cannot have in your own house, and even the ones he let you have, you must buy through them (so they can get a tax and force control) and if suddenly they are not ok with that anymore, it can simply vanish from your home. "Hey look, you cant ha…
> Imagine someone selling you a house and despite that you think you own the house the seller defines what things you can or cannot have in your own house That's exactly like housing in developed world works, lol. When you buy a flat in Germany, you implicitly agree on a huge set of rules. No one would allow you to buy a flat and turn it into a brothel or a disorderly house, or even run a pretty legal business in it)…
This line of thinking doesnt apply in the relationship between Apple, its developers and its consumers.
Its a direct relationship and we are trying to understand here what rights Apple have vs. the rigths their developers and consumers have.
> Following your analogy if you've bought a flat, nobody is obliged to deliver food to you, especially when some food vendors do not comply with delivery's rules.
What you are lacking here is that theres a conflict of interest going on. The better scenario would be "Apple Homes Inc" also owning a fast-food chain, having the power to define, the food delivery you have access to.
The key thing here, is that they do it before you are even aware you are lacking options. So you wont feel as freedom of choice is being taken from you, because when you look at the "food store", you have options. And having options make you feel that you have choices and freedom, while you actually dont.
Some people like you, could be fine with it. But my main point is that its breaking foundamentals laws our societies are built on. Freedom, property, etc..
There is no specific law yet, because its unregulated. But im pretty sure that once law experts decide to really tackle this issue, some of those things will get much clearer.
A company like Apple or Google have too much power with this, and you can imagine the mess if somehow the powerful of the world get their hands on this powerful pipelines that can control the lifes of so many..
Without good and effective laws to really regulate them, we can be in a mess real quick.
(And im not even debating the rights of people who create apps and are dumped with clients wanting their products but not being able to reach them, because Apple forbid them with bogus reasons)
Re: Apple to kill Epic’s accounts on Friday the 28th
#966What took me aback was the withdrawing permission to notarise their apps for Mac. That was only meant to be a check for known vulnerabilities/malicious software. Apple was more within their rights to kick Fortnite until the dust has settled from the iOS store, that was the retaliation, but now a mechanism supposedly for security has been repurposed as punishment. That's a pretty nasty move and I feel the mask has sli…
This seems way beyond the "hyper-competitive" excuse (that I didn't buy in the first place). Claiming control of the store is one thing, but they have locked Epic out of the platform entirely. This is shameless anticompetitive behavior.
Or has that setting been removed?
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Fair enough regarding the word twisting. So you figure 73 year old Minsky was on this plane or whatever, a highschooler offers to have sex with him and he just figured, what, she was caught up in the heat of passion? Maybe high schoolers offer to have sex with him in the normal course of his geriatric affairs? I think you’re still not really being honest by trying to construct some scenario where Minsky could have no…
> a highschooler offers to have sex with him and he just figured, what, she was caught up in the heat of passion? No, I meant he might have been caught up in the moment and ignore his better judgement. Also, I dunno about you, but I iften find it very dificult to tell the difference between a somewhat mature looking highscooler and someone who is 19 — 21 ish. Of course, I also don’t have sex with people in that age g…
To be honest you've changed my mind a bit here & I'm a bit more on RMS's side now. Agreed that a witch-hunt was in progress, which caught some "actual witches" and lots of others along the way.
But from an optics perspective, ffs why would you defend an Epstein associate & fellow-traveller at that point in time. I mean he's dead, he's not going to be hurt by the accusations at that point. ️ oh well.
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Yeah to be honest while I think Apple clearly has monopoly power here that should be reined in, I also get the feeling that Epic will have a pretty weak argument for why they purposely violated the Terms of Service and then expect to continue using the SDK tools.
I’m unconvinced that there should be repercussions beyond the App Store tbh. While Apple get to set the App Store rules fine you get taken off there, but then what’s the actual criteria for this all out permanent ban? Just not reinstating your app in a compliant form? What if you decide the deal sucks and don’t want to go back on their store? Then you just get permanently banned forever? Presumably it doesn’t work li…
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Why would it be fortunate to be compelled to do business with someone who's suing you?
So that your legal rights aren't undermined. Especially companies dependent on single large companies have the legal system as their only protection against abuse.
This regulation sounds like it could create a channel for abuse. Specifically, if someone sues me, then I can't fire that customer for any reason.
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Safety over Liberty - the motto of the world today. Kneel before the master!
Should we not have the liberty to choose a locked-down platform?