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Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by tim333 »

aeternum wrote: post #933
knowaveragejoe wrote: post #21

Good, and frankly they should have been doing this sort of thing sooner.

Would you feel the same if Twitter were purchased by Rupert Murdoch and Twitter hid tweets that Fox considered not true? Remember that it's only a matter of time until ownership changes or another larger platform gains traction, perhaps even one owned by a foreign government with significantly different ideas of what is "true", IE TikTok.

The issue here is not "considered not true" but promoting illegal violence which I think Murdoch also probably avoids.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by hoppla »

javajosh wrote: post #310
_ZeD_ wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

following the wikipedia article I found https://www.avclub.com/twitter-releases-statement-confirming... "Twitter releases statement confirming it'll never ban Donald Trump"

Maybe. But there's probably a business model out there this is simply a Twitter clone that waits for the Trump account to move there, and bang, instant success.

Or mastadon! Whitehouse could have its own server, and would not need to worry about sensorship

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by dang »

zapita wrote: post #805
ardy42 wrote: post #699

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Somewhere a counter was just incremented. It's going to be amusing if Twitter management simply lets the automated system do its thing. At some point, after warnings, the standard 48-hour suspension will trigger. Twitter management can simply simply say "it is our policy not to comment on enforcement actions". I wouldn't be surprised if Twitter has exempted Trump's accounts from all automated moderation. However, I…

> However, I'm half expecting them to ban him about twelve seconds after he leaves office. At the top management level, they are probably weighing the possibility that he never leaves office (a plausible scenario at this point), and how that scenario affects their bottom line. They probably don’t want US institutions to dissolve into full-blown autocracy... But on the other hand, if that were to happen, then it would…

You've been breaking the site guidelines repeatedly lately. That's not cool. Emotions are inflamed right now, and that makes it more important, not less, to follow these rules: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by gabordemooij »

gabordemooij wrote: post #903

I don't see the problem, just reject the special privs for twitter and treat it like a publisher. It should be fairly simple, either you do not moderate at all (and your not responsible for whatever people say on your platform) or you moderate and therefore you publish. It aint that hard. Twitter clearly moderates, that's fine, so it should be treated as a publisher, not as a public 'facility'. Simple.

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Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by gabordemooij »

hellomyguys wrote: post #908
gabordemooij wrote: post #903

I don't see the problem, just reject the special privs for twitter and treat it like a publisher. It should be fairly simple, either you do not moderate at all (and your not responsible for whatever people say on your platform) or you moderate and therefore you publish. It aint that hard. Twitter clearly moderates, that's fine, so it should be treated as a publisher, not as a public 'facility'. Simple.

So all platforms that have moderators (reddit, 4chan, FB, etc) are considered publishers now? What would actually be defined as a platform in your model?

4chan hardly moderates. If Twitter wants to cater to people that want some kind of filtering just allow those people to enable a filter. Problem solved.

A platform should not moderate at all. Only remove clearly illegal stuff. For the rest, offer filters for people that want to have them (or better, design a protocol: ) so it can be built into browsers.

That way you can have both: free speech and optional filtering. And you can be a platform instead of a publisher.

(edit: I added some elaboration on a possible solution )

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by scaredtobeme »

zzzeek wrote: post #836
ardy42 wrote: post #699

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Somewhere a counter was just incremented. It's going to be amusing if Twitter management simply lets the automated system do its thing. At some point, after warnings, the standard 48-hour suspension will trigger. Twitter management can simply simply say "it is our policy not to comment on enforcement actions". I wouldn't be surprised if Twitter has exempted Trump's accounts from all automated moderation. However, I…

> about twelve seconds after he leaves office. which will be in 18 years

He isn't competent enough to pull that off. He can't even get his own staff to do what he wants most of the time.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by darkerside »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #188
darkerside wrote: post #184

As President, or any public figure, you are responsible not only for the intention of your words, but also every feasible interpretation of your words, as well as the impacts of your words, regardless of intention. I say this not to imply that Trump didn't know that this statement could be taken in multiple ways, but to remind people that even if it can it doesn't matter. It's tragic this has happened, and also tragi…

Vague and menacing threats are admittedly thuggish behavior, but I think it's hard to argue that it's more thuggish than burning down a police station.

When I think of thugs, I think of premeditated stick ups, protection money rackets, and intimidation.

A riot is dangerous, unpredictable, and unwise (imo), but I wouldn't characterize it as thuggish. It's clear to me the reason that word was used was to appeal to his base, who are eager to put a label on these protestors as a way of dehumanizing them.

https://theconversation.com/thugs-is-a-race-code-word-that-f...

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by tripzilch »

75dvtwin wrote: post #948
Animats wrote: post #79

Twitter policy: "We start from a position of assuming that people do not intend to violate our Rules. Unless a violation is so egregious that we must immediately suspend an account, we first try to educate people about our Rules and give them a chance to correct their behavior. We show the violator the offending Tweet(s), explain which Rule was broken, and require them to remove the content before they can Tweet agai…

Useful to know that this specific selective application of editorial bias by Twitter, was after Trump's executive order [1] on preventing online censorship of free speech. >"... Twitter now selectively decides to place a warning label on certain tweets in a manner that clearly reflects political bias. As has been reported, Twitter seems never to have placed such a label on another politician’s tweet. .." When a car m…

How is this "political bias"?

Is everything that disagrees with Trump now "political bias"?

I'm not even from the US and I know what "when the looting starts, the shooting starts" means and what outcome it envisions.

> When twitter manufactures opinions and hides them as 'public forum discourse' -- we are supposed to be ok with that?

What are these opinions? Can you speak them out loud? Which opinions are being hidden? Can you write down the message of these opinions in plain words?

Could you write down these opinions as if they were your own, without violating HN's house rules?

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by sytelus »

rco8786 wrote: post #897
seesawtron wrote: post #849

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would imagine that accounts of "important" people are handled personally rather than by automated algorithm. As Jack Dorsey points out in this[0] Joe Rogan podcast, the reported tweets by public or algorithm are manually checked at some point. Approx. 4000 employees of Twitter all around the world. Every day 100k (edit: 100M) tweets are sent. The reports of tweets that violate the platform policy are (reported by p…

> Every day 100k tweets are sent When I worked there we handled about ~6k tweets/sec all day every day. (~500,000,000 tweets/day)

There are 145M daily active users on Tweeter. So that’s approx 3 tweets per user. Sounds reasonable.
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