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YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Moderation is not necessarily censorship. It is only censorship if the content is removed based on the content itself. For example, shutting down a flamewar for simply being aggressive is not censorship, as long as the same discussion would have been permitted if held in good spirit. Censoring "wrong" content likely has bad outcomes, the worst being that with only "good" content, critical thinking may get even sloppi…

I disagree. Aggression in the sense of language style, is very much in the eye of the beholder. As is assigning value to a ‘flamewar’. One person’s meaningless flamewar is another person’s valuable but heated argument.

Not any more so than physically.

Sure, if you stop something early you may have overstepped, but no one questions violence taking place when rocks are being thrown. Same goes for once a discussion degrades to ad hominem attacks/insults.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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This is a huge non sequitur from my question on "spread from human to human after it was _abundantly clear_ that it does" But I will respond to your goalpost shift as well in defense of Li Wenliang who's a celebrated individual in China but turned into a cartoon meme in the west. Li, an ophthalmologist, has no first hand knowledge of the virus nor was he trying to "whistleblow". He received a private group message wi…

You can’t answer the most basic questions: -why did Chinese police get involved and force Dr. Li to remove social media posts about the virus and sick patients? -who were the Chinese Authorities, by name, who represented their “preliminary investigation” -what steps did WHO take to independently verify what they were told by Chinese Authorities about person to person transmission before posting this information to th…

You know I can't encourage your 1 month throwaway account calling a 2009 account a shill behavior by rewarding you with continued conversation.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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by all means inject yourself with bleach as your “expert” suggests but don’t pretend that people deciding to spread covid19 around because they believe it’s caused from miasmas are only hurting themselves.

> but don’t pretend that people deciding to spread covid19 around because they believe it’s caused from miasmas are only hurting themselves. Indeed, asymptotic carriers (as well as healthy people that are going to become asymptotic carriers) following the political crackpot pseudoscience advice from WHO and end up not wearing masks do not harm only themselves but everyone around them as well.

i used to have faith that reasonable adults could tell the difference between “there is no evidence for X” and “X isn’t true”, thank you for disabusing me of that notion.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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You think it’s increasing? Over what time frame? At least in North America, racism and white supremacy is a fraction of what it was 50 years ago.

But a lot worse than it was only four years ago.

Maybe? Don't confused the increase in media coverage with it actually getting worse.

If you go by the number of hate crimes reported to the FBI (which has reporting bias), it has gone up, but it's still lower than it was during the late 90's.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Your scenario has already been playing out for about two months, except it's completely per-video and just a mention of corona seems to no longer cause a demonetization. > so they can collect money and benefit from the videos but not have to do any payout. No ads show on demonetized videos.

Youtube still profits from free content.

As far as I know, free content costs Youtube. I remember reading their profit margins aren't great even on monetized content, and hosting and bandwidth isn't free.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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One of the youtube series I watch normally features pork ribs. Like, the shrinkwrapped package you get from the grocery store. Well that video the creator couldn't get pork ribs because of coronavirus and so had used beef ribs instead - and couldn't even plainly say the reason why. Instead he had to hold up a bottle of corona beer and say "Well, it's due to beer, if you get my drift." Is Youtube actually in the right…

Can you link a few of the videos you referenced?

Drop me an email and I'll send you links with a timecode since they are pretty off topic for HN.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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If you want to have an actual conversation, I'm happy to do that. First of all, everything coming out in the news recently should cure you of the illusion that we have any idea about the number of people infected. Estimates of an undercounting of a factor of ten in the early days in New York. An aircraft carrier with 60% of cases being completely asymptomatic. Sweden staying the course and not seeing perilous results…

> Sweden staying the course and not seeing perilous results. > attempting to extract second order effects from epidemics affecting completely different populations with completely different ways and methods of interacting is an exercise in absurdity. ...

This isn't an argument.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Current WHO advice: "If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19." [0] Where we live, due to local laws , we are now obliged to wear a mask to go shopping. Can one discuss that on YouTube, or would one be contradicting the WHO? I fear there isn't "one truth" out there, despite the content providers' and fact-checkers' attempts :( We keep trying to encourage our ki…

Of course there is one truth. We may not know it now or ever, and might be really nuanced. That doesn't excuse the institutions we ask to guard our health from dispensing obvious misinformation. The WHO and CDC are lying for different reasons about masks. The WHO downplayed the virus against evidence in January when it should have been letting the world know of the threat. This virus is mild compared to what will (probably) eventually happen.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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> but don’t pretend that people deciding to spread covid19 around because they believe it’s caused from miasmas are only hurting themselves. Indeed, asymptotic carriers (as well as healthy people that are going to become asymptotic carriers) following the political crackpot pseudoscience advice from WHO and end up not wearing masks do not harm only themselves but everyone around them as well.

i used to have faith that reasonable adults could tell the difference between “there is no evidence for X” and “X isn’t true”, thank you for disabusing me of that notion.

I am not referring to the tweet that you think that I am referring to. (plus there was plenty of evidence for said X but this is irrelevant for the discussion)

For the next time I would suggest to confirm if you haven't misunderstood something before hurrying to insult the one that you are talking to.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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I fear there isn't "one truth" out there, despite the content providers' and fact-checkers' attempts :( The idea is: "We are the decent, good, people who know the truth. Now we control the platforms, so it's only well and good we control the information, and we tell the deplorable others what they can and can't say." Almost everyone in the history books as a horrible oppressor has told themselves that narrative. Many…

This sort of weird slippery slope argument that banning obviously bad advice somehow leads to youtube becoming a "horrible oppressor" doesn't pass the smell test. By this reasoning, _any_ platform that features _any form of moderation at all_ will devolve into oppression. Is HN at risk of becoming oppressive due to banning flamebait and spam comments?

What? No, that's not right at all. "banning flamebait and spam comments" is nowhere near the same thing. Come on...
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