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Re: It’s Time to Build

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I am not the first to point out that our issue is not the lack of resources, but the inability to direct them in a meaningful way. The idea that free-market dynamics will create the best resource allocation is just hard to believe. People will say that "well other system do we have!?" which to me is defeatist, assume the worst from human race kind of approach. There are people out there doing much research on coordin…

If you haven't read it already, "Moloch Hasn't Won" is an interesting series of essays expanding from "Meditations on Moloch" : https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ham9i5wf4JCexXnkN/moloch-has...

No I have not. Thank you!

Re: It’s Time to Build

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That was Scalia's point in his dissent of the gay marriage decision: Scalia argues in his opinion that the court is increasingly creating policy rather than serving as a neutral arbiter. “Today’s decree says that my Ruler, and the Ruler of 320 million Americans coast-to-coast, is a majority of the nine lawyers on the Supreme Court,” he writes. “This practice of constitutional revision by an unelected committee of nin…

It’s funny since that specific ruling is what stopped a minority of the US population from imposing their will/“values” on the rest of the country. Clearly the electoral college and legislature is not setup properly to reflect the will of the people at this point in time, so we have a better chance of it happening from 9 Supreme Court judges.

Supreme Court judges are not reflecting popular will. They dont align with what the majority of population think.

Re: It’s Time to Build

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I'm in the process of reading _Why Nation Fails_. The central thesis is that the rich and poor countries are separated by inclusive vs extractive institutions. The extractive institutions are characterised by elites that attempt to defend their own wealth and status by maintaining the status quo and resisting the creative destruction that may threaten that position. It seems to resonate a bit here, when Marc speaks o…

> Point being, why not write simpler laws and regulations and leave it to the courts to interpret what adheres to the spirit of it? With the barriers of entry gone, I think we'd see a renewed vitality to many ossified sectors.

Because regulation in the US is rarely the problem.

We have a US mask manufacturer sitting outside Dallas who never went 24/7 in production because NOBODY WOULD PAY HIM.

Billionaires shouting "Hey, we'll pay for preproduction on vaccines" because they know they won't have to deliver isn't helpful.

Handing a small business $10 million so he can go full tilt would be helpful. But then these billionaires would have to cough up actual CASH.

Re: It’s Time to Build

#964
post #258

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I've spent the last month setting up a company to build PPEs, so I hope to bring an interesting perspective here. Most importantly: production ramps slowly because of the implications of structural organization. 1. From what I can tell, our supply chains are carefully tuned for efficient output of known, predictable, quantities 2. If you want to suddenly double, triple, or 10x production, it isn't easy: the reconfigu…

I think power grids have a kind of similar problem, super oversimplifying here because this isn't my area: Baseload power plants (e.g. coal) are large and comparatively efficient, but they need to be kept running continuously, and they take a long time to restart. Other types of plants (e.g. natural gas) can start and stop more quickly to meet surges in demand, but they aren't as efficient overall. In order to keep t…

Your analogy with the energy market is quite good, the only thing I would address is that coal plants aren’t more energy efficient than gas plants (roughly 40% and 50%, respectively). The reason coal plants provide the base load is that the raw material, coal, is cheaper than gas. However, with falling oil and gas prices this might change in the ‘near’ future.

The reason the US military (among others) buys so much equipment even during relatively peaceful periods is to keep alive the ability to produce massive amounts of tanks etc. whenever they really _do_ need them. So just not outsourcing these kind of essential goods to foreign nations might be already a great leap in the right direction.

Re: It’s Time to Build

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I'm in the process of reading _Why Nation Fails_. The central thesis is that the rich and poor countries are separated by inclusive vs extractive institutions. The extractive institutions are characterised by elites that attempt to defend their own wealth and status by maintaining the status quo and resisting the creative destruction that may threaten that position. It seems to resonate a bit here, when Marc speaks o…

You are confusing regulation that protects the oligarchy, throwing spanners in the wheels of potential independent competitors, with regulation that effectively protects the health and safety of the people.

The US might have the former, but when Europeans refer to a lack of regulation in the US they mean the latter.

Re: It’s Time to Build

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I don't disagree on the primary point you're trying to make, but I feel like you have a warped image of -at least- Germany. Germany has a housing crisis as well, rent is through the roof in the major metropolitan areas. > The US doesn't really care that much about citizen v. non-citizen - the economic benefit in the short term is outsource/insource - there is no consideration for the population. That's very true for…

I'm a non-German who lived in Germany, the US, and other places. As you say 'it's impolite' to talk about the citizens in a nationalist way, yes, but Germany (and many other nations) are still deeply ethnocentric - it's by default. Almost everything about Germany is 'German' and when almost all economic, political and social concern on a broader level is about 'Germany'. It actually takes some intellectual effort to…

Possibly, though it's a cultural thing, so I don't believe you can simply say "we're switching to a Germany model". The US is very individualistic, Germany is more collectivist. Individualistic cultures are more unequal, have issues with high taxes, government regulations and so on. They are much more flexible, can react to changes and move fast. And, as the Facebook motto goes (or went), sometimes they break things.

As for the claimed anti-nationalism, I fundamentally dislike it because it's a charade from start to finish. When "I want A" becomes amoral, everything gets wrapped in fifty layers of misdirection and rationalization, and finding compromise gets even harder because nobody can admit to what they actually want. It's a pathological trait in individuals, and I don't believe it's healthy on a society level. I'm not saying "that's how it has to be", rather "that's how it is, so let's not pretend it isn't". At the first sign of trouble, it's becoming evident anyhow, but if our arrangements are built on different assumptions, the damage will be much larger.

Re: It’s Time to Build

#967
post #955

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At this point in the essay, Andreessen is wondering aloud why more building hasn't happened in the United States to solve problems in fields like education, manufacturing, and transportation. He asks what the reasons could be, and lists several rejecting each of them. One reason that he rejects for why more building hasn't happened is capitalism. Andreessen thinks capitalism can't be the reason for us not building be…

Indeed. Communist societies build less, and somehow also pollute more.

Citation needed. The USSR and PRC both went from agrarian societies to industrial powers in under 50 years.

Re: It’s Time to Build

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I'll just chime in with a fundamental truth and I don't really care who is offended or what HN rules I'll be supposedly breaking: The right has no new ideas, no desire to build anything but their own wealth, and no respect for science, nature, their fellow humans or even basic facts. They are, and always have been, fundamentally evil, full stop. Writing an essay about progress and change, but not recognizing that half the country are backwards, ignorant, selfish, fearmongering, racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic cowards who care nothing but themselves is avoiding the core issue. If everyone on the right disappeared tomorrow, the country would be a vastly better place.

Re: It’s Time to Build

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I'm in the process of reading _Why Nation Fails_. The central thesis is that the rich and poor countries are separated by inclusive vs extractive institutions. The extractive institutions are characterised by elites that attempt to defend their own wealth and status by maintaining the status quo and resisting the creative destruction that may threaten that position. It seems to resonate a bit here, when Marc speaks o…

"I'm in the process of reading the book _Why Nation Fails_. The central thesis is that rich and poor countries are separated by inclusive vs extractive institutions.

It seems to resonate a bit here, when Marc speaks of things like regulatory capture."

However if we actually look at the pages of that book from 2012, the authors never use the US, or any present day "Western" country, as an example of one that had or has extractive instutitions. Instead they cite examples such as Mexico, Colombia, Argentina, Venezuela, Uzbekistan, Zimbabwe, Sierra Leone, Angola, Sudan, Chad, Cameroon, Liberia, Egypt, North Korea, Nepal, or Haiti.

According to the authors, the US currently has inclusive institutions and uses the example of the software industry as a success story to support this argument. This industry is in fact the blog post author's area of focus as a former programmer turned venture capitalist.

To quote from the book:

(Note the bit about fraud. The US had serious problems with fraud 100 years ago, and still does. Consider that is why the SEC exists. Many would argue it has very limited powers of enforcement to deal with modern-day fraud.)

"Bill Gates, like other legendary figures in the information technology industry (such as Paul Allen, Steve Ballmer, Steve Jobs, Larry Page, Sergey Brin, and Jeff Bezos), had immense talent and ambition. But he ultimately responded to incentives. The schooling system in the United States enabled Gates and others like him to acquire a unique set of skills to complement their talents. The economic institutions in the United States enabled these men to start companies with ease, without facing insurmountable barriers. Those institutions also made the financing of their projects feasible. The U.S. labor markets enabled them to hire qualified personnel, and the relatively competitive market environment enabled them to expand their companies and market their products. These entrepreneurs were confident from the beginning that their dream projects could be implemented: they trusted the institutions and the rule of law that these generated and they did not worry about the security of their property rights. Finally, the political institutions ensured stability and continuity. For one thing, they made sure that there was no risk of a dictator taking power and changing the rules of the game, expropriating their wealth, imprisoning them, or threatening their lives and livelihoods. They also made sure that no particular interest in society could warp the government in an economically disastrous direction, because political power was both limited and distributed sufficiently broadly that a set of economic institutions that created the incentives for prosperity could emerge. Secure property rights, the law, public services, and the freedom to contract and exchange all rely on the state, the institution with the coercive capacity to impose order, prevent theft and fraud, and enforce contracts between private parties. To function well, society also needs other public services: roads and a transport network so that goods can be transported; a public infrastructure so that economic activity can flourish; and some type of basic regulation to prevent fraud and malfeasance.

Though many of these public services can be provided by markets and private citizens, the degree of coordination necessary to do so on a large scale often eludes all but a central authority. The state is thus inexorably intertwined with economic institutions, as the enforcer of law and order, private property, and contracts, and often as a key provider of public services. Inclusive economic institutions need and use the state."

The US approach to business does have its flaws. However the book "Why Nations Fail" does not address them. To the authors, the US is a nation that "succeeded", and continues to succeed, by having inclusive institutions, not one that "failed" or is failing today.

A book like "Why Nations Fail", and there are many others like it, arguably encourages readers to view the US, irrespective of its flaws, as the shining example of what a country could/should aspire to become. There are no present-day comparisons of the US with Western Europe in books of this type. Such books are arguably part of the reason for certain institutional problems that will forever remain unfixed in the US, e.g. regulatory capture and complexity, because books like these have themes that support the idea that America's "solutions" are not just different but better than all the others.

This book really has no relation to any criticism of US institutions. If anything, it supports the idea that the US has the best formula for creating a rich country, i.e., a country where "anyone can be rich". They compare how Bill Gates became wealthy versus how Carlos Slim became wealthy.

From a presentatation given by the authors:

Acemoglu Robinson (Harvard) Why Nations Fail June 6, 2011 8 / 36

Main Concepts Inclusive and Extractive Institutions

Towards a Theory of Institutions

Extractive economic institutions: Lack of law and order. Insecure property rights; entry barriers and regulations preventing functioning of markets and creating a nonlevel playing field.

Extractive political institutions -- in the limit of absolutism: Political institutions concentrating power in the hands of a few, without constraints, checks and balances or rule of law.

Inclusive economic institutions: Secure property rights, law and order, markets and state support (public services and regulation) for markets; open to relatively free entry of new businesses; uphold contracts; access to education and opportunity for the great majority of citizens.

Inclusive political institutions: Political institutions allowing broad participation pluralism and placing constraints and checks on politicians; rule of law (closely related to pluralism).

But also some degree of political centralization for the states to be able to selectively enforce law and order.

Acemoglu Robinson (Harvard) Why Nations Fail June 6, 2011 36 / 36

Why Nations have and Do Fail

Because they have extractive political and economic institutions.

These are difficult to change though they can be successfully challenged and altered during critical junctures.

The roots of modern world inequality lie in the emergence of inclusive institutions in Britain and the fruits of this - the industrial revolution - spread to those parts of the world that had similar institutions (settler colonies) or quickly developed them (Western Europe).

Other parts of the world languished with extractive institutions which have persisted over time and thus remain poor today.

Re: It’s Time to Build

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post #285

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All the recent outbreaks of viruses like this have originated from East Asia. I really wouldnt give much praise to the great governing elite that failed to prevent this in the first place, despite scientists telling them about it a long time ago.

Not only is that factually incorrect as the other user pointed out, but you may be surprised that more than half of the worlds population lives in this circle ( https://i.imgur.com/CK6aONG.jpg ), so the fact that a lot of diseases originate there isn't as surprising as you might think. Not to mention that diseases can break out everywhere, making the response to a pandemic significantly more important than trying to…

It's still pretty surprising, and probably has more to do with cultural practices of eating all kinds of wild animals, than with population density.

How many diseases originated in India?

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