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Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by Animats »

knowaveragejoe wrote: post #915
Animats wrote: post #904

What can Silicon Valley do to make America great again? - There will be higher tariffs for China imports. The US needs to make more of its own stuff. Start planning on moving manufacturing to the US for sales in the US. Don't use Shentzen as much. Plan on exporting to China, and expect some help from the Government if China's government gives you problems. The US needs to get its imports and exports balanced. - The w…

I don't get why you think some of these are essential to "make America great again"(as if you could actually reasonably quantify why it stopped being great). - The wall will be built. It will need sensors. The IoT crowd needs to develop better sensors than the overpriced crappy ones from the last attempt in that direction. My understanding is that the proposal is untenable for a variety of reasons, so we probably won…

Trump's pitch was to stop the "race to the bottom", where Americans have to be "competitive" in wages with the cheapest countries in the world. The anti-free-trade stance and the anti-immigration stance come from that. Stem the tide of cheap labor and cheap imported goods, and wages for Americans will rise. Side effects, yes, but it might be an improvement. Few rich countries are as open to both immigration and imports as the US has been.

Whether Trump really intends to do that, or whether he'll just go for the generic Republican platform (tax cuts for the rich, few restraints on business, heavy military spending, God, guns and gays to distract the voters) remains to be seen. But that's not what he was elected to do, and he doesn't have political debts which force him to do that.

Trump talks about building infrastructure. That, he's probably serious about. He is, after all, a real estate developer, and they're a "build it and they will come" crowd. Sometimes they don't come, and Trump has a few bankruptcies behind him. But he did get stuff built. One could do worse. Japan's solution to a slow economy is to overspend somewhat on infrastructure. That beats pouring money into the banking system.

(I didn't vote for Trump. But about half of Americans did, and they have some legitimate beefs. So I'm writing about what to do to actually fix the problems Trump was elected to solve.)

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by zo1 »

jmcgough wrote: post #734
themckman wrote: post #74

So, I voted for DJT (I like calling him that, for some reason). I didn't vote for him because I agreed with any of his policies (as best I can tell he never actually presented any during the course of his campaign) or because I thought he was the best representative for the people of this country. I did so for a couple of reasons: 1. I like a good underdog story. The people that support him, for a multitude of reason…

I'm transgender and my people are in mourning. This might seem like a game to you, but there are very real consequences that will felt by vulnerable groups of people. He's already promised to repeal LGBT protections.

Protections such as what?

At the base level: Laws still apply, people will go to jail if they harm you. It's not like he's going to declare open hunting season on LGBTQ people.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by jmcgough »

zo1 wrote: post #962
jmcgough wrote: post #734

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm transgender and my people are in mourning. This might seem like a game to you, but there are very real consequences that will felt by vulnerable groups of people. He's already promised to repeal LGBT protections.

Protections such as what? At the base level: Laws still apply, people will go to jail if they harm you. It's not like he's going to declare open hunting season on LGBTQ people.

Protection against healthcare discrimination, housing discrimination, and bathroom use. Under Obama, I was also able to get a passport with the correct gender marker, which I wouldn't have been able to do before without being forced to have expensive surgery.

A number of these were done through executive action, and Trump has said he will overturn them in office. Yes, laws still apply. But not if they aren't laws anymore. Pence was the one who signed Indiana's controversial Religious Freedom Restoration Act into law, and has advocated reparative therapy (brainwashing the gay out of you), which is ineffective and incredibly damaging.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by yourapostasy »

maxerickson wrote: post #691
enlightenedfool wrote: post #677

It's French Revolution redux just waiting to happen. And it did. People voted Obama as a relative outsider to bring change. He failed and became the insider. People doubled down this time and got a complete outsider.

People doubled down this time and got a complete outsider. People that believe this is what happened are going to be disappointed. We'll know real soon anyway, based on the hiring that his transition team does (they are a bunch of political insiders ).

The Trump administration and the Republican-dominated legislature probably has two years to show results consistent with an outsider persona, and if they don't deliver, other parties will probably get a good shot at breaking the Republican domination of Congress in the midterms. It's a pretty tall order, as most of the electorate do not understand how slowly the gears of government grind, but it seems to be the pattern in history.

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Post by inthewoods »

pc86 wrote: post #847
inthewoods wrote: post #586

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Now let's move forward on the direction that's been chosen and go about discussing it constructively." A few thoughts on this: - First, roughly half (and the majority of the votes) did not agree with this direction. That isn't much of a mandate. - Second, the party that won has repeatedly shown that they don't want to work on compromise, or follow standard procedure such as allowing a sitting President to get a hear…

> allowing a sitting President to get a hearing for a nominee for the Supreme Court. Let's talk about George W. Bush's nominees... Politics is politics and to pretend that one side or the other plays them "dirty" and the other side plays them "clean" is naiveté of an astounding level.

I'm not naive enough to think that Dems never play dirty, but what's astonishing that you seem to give the Republicans a complete pass with regard to their actual behavior by making a false equivalency: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/...

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Post by erikpukinskis »

gaur wrote: post #853
advantark2 wrote: post #621

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>they were racist, sexist, or Islamophobic This is a big issue here, and something that I don't feel that many democrats seem to understand. It wasn't a race issue, it was an immigration issue since many illegal immigrants have taken American jobs. It isn't sexist to acknowledge differences in the genders. It isn't islamophobic to see cultural issues with Islam that would cause integration issues, especially with a l…

> It isn't sexist to acknowledge differences in the genders. You know that is emphatically not the kind of statement that people were concerned with when they were talking about Trump's sexism.

I actually don't think Donald Trump is particularly more sexist than a randomly sampled American.

What I think is sexist is the outsized hate campaign that has dogged Hillary since she became first lady. She's not notably worse by any metric than John Kerry but she receives way more vitriol.

People were saying she was literally Satan. And Bernie voters were saying she was unacceptable due to being a corrupt sellout establishment candidate, but again... John Kerry didn't receive anywhere near the level of hate.

It's a tough issue to argue though, because I'm not saying it's black and white: I'm not saying haters would've supported her if she was a man. It's more of a matter of degree: the anger and malice toward her would've been less if she was a man. The tenor of people's opposition would've been different.

For that reason I don't think you're awful if you don't believe me. There's enough ambiguity that I think you can say "let's call it an open question and focus on more irrefutable examples of sexism".

But the reason so many women are upset is this is exactly the kind of sexism they face evety day: subtle sexism that is difficult to prove, but when experienced over several decades feels undeniable.

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Post by neves »

devopsproject wrote: post #810
neves wrote: post #227

It looks like Clinton has won the majority of votes: http://www.nytimes.com/elections/forecast/president The USA electoral system is really crazy.

the electoral college is not the problem, FPTP is the problem

What is this? Is it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting ?

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Post by rak00n »

narrator wrote: post #955
dopamean wrote: post #871

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I wonder how he feels as a gay man knowing that he supported a candidate who ran on the most homophobic platform a major party has ever had.

I heard that Trump did not have a bad record, for a republican, on gay rights. Can you cite anything?

http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2016/02/the-top-ten-worst-comment...

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Post by rak00n »

tcoppi wrote: post #818

First 100 days plan posted, you can see, concretely, what he hopes to accomplish: https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landings/contract/O-TRU-102...

"A requirement that for every new federal regulation, two existing regulations must be eliminated."

This makes me sad.

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Post by ajani »

IMTDb wrote: post #368
jernfrost wrote: post #215

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You can do what the democrats have talked about, which we have successfully done in Nordic countries which is to spend a lot of money on re-educating the workforce and making sure those at the bottom get decent skills. I grew up in a rustbelt like industrial town in Norway. We has shipyards, glass factory, paper mill, textile industry, lock systems etc. Almost all of it got closed down and moved overseas as I grew up…

USA does not have an oil fund that amounts do $150k per capita to pay for "free everything" (university education, universal health care, childcare) and good pensions for everybody. Norway generates more revenue with oil than the entires US of A, for 5 million people, and is third worldwide exporter for Natural Gas just behind Qatar and Russia, again with only 5 million people to serve (less than the population of Ne…

Stop spending on military and weapons and there's suddenly a lot more money for everything else. Every year.
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