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Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by enraged_camel »

ivraatiems wrote: post #112

When you spend a lot of time telling people how dangerous your products are, people who have the power to keep dangerous products off the market might listen. Especially if those people aren't presently very bright, and are already mad at you for not helping them achieve their unrelated authoritarian goals. I do not think this is somehow a 3D chess move by Anthropic. They are not masterminds, even if they'd really li…

>> People who actually interact with their products know that Fable and Mythos are incremental improvements, not doomsday devices.

If you look outside HN, you'll see that people who interacted with Fable 5 overwhelmingly thought that it was a significant improvement, not simply an incremental one. Most reputable benchmarks show this as well.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by rad_val »

enraged_camel wrote: post #951
ivraatiems wrote: post #112

When you spend a lot of time telling people how dangerous your products are, people who have the power to keep dangerous products off the market might listen. Especially if those people aren't presently very bright, and are already mad at you for not helping them achieve their unrelated authoritarian goals. I do not think this is somehow a 3D chess move by Anthropic. They are not masterminds, even if they'd really li…

>> People who actually interact with their products know that Fable and Mythos are incremental improvements, not doomsday devices. If you look outside HN, you'll see that people who interacted with Fable 5 overwhelmingly thought that it was a significant improvement, not simply an incremental one. Most reputable benchmarks show this as well.

Step 1: don't trust benchmarks you don't understand - they might measure irrelevant things Step 2: test it on things you know Opus failed

My day-to-day take, for the coding I do (not security related): incremental, modest improvement, if any. Not worth the 2x cost. I've calmly continued to use Opus, happy that it seems like it got an allowance upgrade.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by tlogan »

I wonder what is ETA here.

Also, how are they going to enforce this?

I assume they will require you to send them a copy of your passport. Then they will enable your account. And you have state that only be used by you.

Are there any online identity systems that do something like this (verifying citizenship)?

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by hintymad »

ivraatiems wrote: post #112

When you spend a lot of time telling people how dangerous your products are, people who have the power to keep dangerous products off the market might listen. Especially if those people aren't presently very bright, and are already mad at you for not helping them achieve their unrelated authoritarian goals. I do not think this is somehow a 3D chess move by Anthropic. They are not masterminds, even if they'd really li…

Yeah. Our stuff is waaaaay toooooo dangerous! The model is soooo powerful that I have to write a long essay telling government to change the economic policies, to regulate hard, and to ban this and that. Well, now the government is indeed regulating for a claim that Dario has been warning about. This is exactly getting what he bargained for?

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by Stevvo »

Nition wrote: post #786

I'm surprised how much of the discussion here is taking the angle of "Anthropic pretended this model was soooo dangerous for months as marketing, and it seems like someone decided to believe them!" First, Anthropic was founded by people who we know were worried about AI safety and signs point to that still being the case. It's really cynical to say it was all an exaggeration for marketing. Second, this isn't Moller p…

People are giving Anthropic the benefit of doubt. If they believe their own bullshit, the situation is far worse.

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Post by Rover222 »

ivraatiems wrote: post #112

When you spend a lot of time telling people how dangerous your products are, people who have the power to keep dangerous products off the market might listen. Especially if those people aren't presently very bright, and are already mad at you for not helping them achieve their unrelated authoritarian goals. I do not think this is somehow a 3D chess move by Anthropic. They are not masterminds, even if they'd really li…

Do you have any idea what actual authoritarianism looks like? What an insult to people who are truly suffering.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by Stevvo »

lend000 wrote: post #164

We've been hearing about the risks of engineered viruses and homemade superweapons since GPT 3.5, so where are they? We've had abliterated open weights models much stronger than GPT 4 for over a year now. It's been interesting seeing how OpenAI pops up to counter the threat of AGI being controlled by Google, and then OpenAI and every spinoff company from its employees has become a far larger threat to the public, for…

They have existed far longer than LLms, and kill tens of thousands of Americans every year. Fentanyl is the best example. Any chemistry graduate can figure out how to manufacture it. Used by China as a Chemical weapon against the American public.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by nicce »

jari_mustonen wrote: post #539

It seems that the US is consumed by the security state. Each and every aspect of the economy is subjugated to the need to maintain empire. Just to give some random examples: the weaponization of the banking system (kicking Russia out of swift), the semiconductor export ban to China, the TikTok ban, or the blatant over usege of tariffs. Now they are betting that Mythos will provide them with some edge. Personally, I d…

Maybe other countries then should start banning the U.S from using data centers located elsewhere. Can’t pick only the cherries from top.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Post by readthemanual »

libraryofbabel wrote: post #450

So many comments here missing the big picture, and just gleefully pointing out that Anthropic got what they deserved, or that this is the natural culmination of some kind of marketing stunt. The real story here is that this may be the beginning of governments restricting the availability of strong LLMs to the public, to you. Fable was the strongest model on the market, and the US government has told you you can't use…

Oh, I'm definitely won't be poorer without one LLM. As a professional I probably will be richer, even. And with more certainty for the future for sure.
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