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Re: Googlebook

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Post by nobrains »

joemazerino wrote: post #942
isityettime wrote: post #931

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't get Gemini to not cut me off mid-sentence and reply to only half of what I wanted to say. It doesn't reliably integrate with Google Maps. I can't trust it for basic shopping tasks because it doesn't reliably evaluate stated criteria. I can't even ask it if a specific web store has a specific item in stock and trust the answer. Google hasn't gotten the bare-ass basics right. They're not about to "make apps irr…

This product is exactly how Google improves Gemini. For better or worse (I'd argue worse) Google will be putting these devices in classrooms and everywhere else to train Gemini.

My take is related but different. I believe that Google believes the customer's for these "premium" Googlebooks are the kids who used Chromebooks all their school years, and are now graduating school, getting into university, or getting into their first job. Google is presenting them an option, that feels familiar, but is also premium. The next level. The big-boy upgrade. Familiar but Better.

Re: Googlebook

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Post by annagio_ »

This is first comment and I have to ask what do they mean by this? why it requires a phone with android 17 or above?

2 Setup required. Phone with Android 17 or above required.

To be true, I don't like and I don't like the AI features. I guess google has done their R&D, and they want to reach a specific user target.

Re: Googlebook

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Post by ajross »

isityettime wrote: post #931
reisse wrote: post #907

I see the vision here, which the top commenters (sorry, couldn't read all of them) seems to miss. This should be a moonshot bet on the next generation of user experience. People are complaining about apps, but the idea here should be to make apps irrelevant as a concept. You don't need "apps", you need data feedable to LLM and a visualization toolkit for presenting results. And maybe some tools to manually wrangle th…

I can't get Gemini to not cut me off mid-sentence and reply to only half of what I wanted to say. It doesn't reliably integrate with Google Maps. I can't trust it for basic shopping tasks because it doesn't reliably evaluate stated criteria. I can't even ask it if a specific web store has a specific item in stock and trust the answer. Google hasn't gotten the bare-ass basics right. They're not about to "make apps irr…

> I can't get Gemini to not cut me off mid-sentence and reply to only half of what I wanted to say.

This kind of criticism is unpersuasive: "USENET and ftp are fine! Why do I need this monster 'mosaic' thing which needs 8MB of core just to try to see some buggy 'dynamic page' someone threw together where the server is always down anyway!"

New technology is incomplete, rushed to market, inconsistently reliable and rapidly improving. News at 11!

That doesn't mean Googlebook is going to take over the world. But no, you don't get to live in 2019 forever either.

Re: Googlebook

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Post by mywittyname »

ulimn wrote: post #921
rkozik1989 wrote: post #916

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forgot the part where average consumers kind of hate AI and won't buy this or use that feature because of its AI.

I'm not sure about that. The "normies" around me love AI. My mother and mother-in-law drive me crazy when I ask for advice and they copy the answer directly from ChatGPT. Not to mention the stupid images generated by AI.

> I'm not sure about that. The "normies" around me love AI

Really? Because every "normie" I know complains to me about how much they hate AI.

Lots of the the complaints center around it being forced on users, how all information on the web is AI generated anymore, thus can't be trusted, broader issues around how it makes society much less stable (bots, misinformation, fakeporn, and more recently, breaking security). And, of course, those whose jobs are actively being replaced by AI really hate it.

The data centers going up locally are likely to be another avenue for complaints.

Re: Googlebook

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Post by albedoa »

righthand wrote: post #886
einsteinx2 wrote: post #870

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> MacOS's relatively restrictive use cases I’m very curious what you mean by this.

A user has to use the CLI to turn off the Apple DRM to install software on an Apple laptop. The CLI is often cited as the reason people won't try Linux. This makes the entire user experience on those machines a restricted use case.

Enough actual Mac user have asked you wtf you're talking about. I'm more interested to know where you picked up the idea, if you care to speak to that too.

Re: Googlebook

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Post by runjake »

righthand wrote: post #886
einsteinx2 wrote: post #870

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> MacOS's relatively restrictive use cases I’m very curious what you mean by this.

A user has to use the CLI to turn off the Apple DRM to install software on an Apple laptop. The CLI is often cited as the reason people won't try Linux. This makes the entire user experience on those machines a restricted use case.

What? No they don't. I work for an org with 4,000 Mac users and zero of them have had to do this to get the apps they want on their Macs.

Edit: Why is this getting downvoted so much? It's 100% accurate. Here's the Apple doc describing the process. Nowhere does it mention the CLI:

https://support.apple.com/en-us/102445

Re: Googlebook

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Post by Upvoter33 »

I'm amazed by all the "people hate AI therefore this won't get anywhere". This is a first (perhaps real) attempt to envision what a desktop of the future looks like assuming AI progress continues. If I'm Apple, I'm very concerned about this, because it is the type of thing that will be tough for them to compete with if Google can pull it off. A traditional computer experience may be very different in a few years, and Google may suddenly be the company that can pull this all together...

Re: Googlebook

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Post by [deleted] »

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #945
vovavili wrote: post #925

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be curious to see how OpenAI or Anthropic would implement this vision without the inertia of a ~200,000 person company and with all the enormous brain gain these two companies now have. A Linux-based, LLM-native phone/laptop hybrid is pretty close to being my personal dream consumer device.

Can I somehow strip out the LLM-native part and just have a polished Linux-based mobile device, without someone trying to control what I run on it? Because that would be my personal dream.

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Re: Googlebook

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Post by vovavili »

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #945
vovavili wrote: post #925

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be curious to see how OpenAI or Anthropic would implement this vision without the inertia of a ~200,000 person company and with all the enormous brain gain these two companies now have. A Linux-based, LLM-native phone/laptop hybrid is pretty close to being my personal dream consumer device.

Can I somehow strip out the LLM-native part and just have a polished Linux-based mobile device, without someone trying to control what I run on it? Because that would be my personal dream.

I'd imagine that there would be little financial incentive to spend millions on UX/UI and polish for this kind of device without an LLM capacity.

Re: Googlebook

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Post by getpokedagain »

achow wrote: post #27

Google seems to have made an official post on Reddit describing the feature set in detail: https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/1tb8xls/introducin... [Edit] And, the feature set references the 'AI mouse pointer' from this Deepmind blog.. https://deepmind.google/blog/ai-pointer/

Is magic pointer a joke. That's what the right button has been for for ages.
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