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Belgium stops decommissioning nuclear power plants

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Re: Belgium stops decommissioning nuclear power plants

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Believing we're in a climate crisis and also being anti-nuclear are mutually exclusive positions in my mind, and opposition to nuclear from environmentalist orgs should be viewed as a massive historical mistake as it set us back decades in moving the needle on carbon emissions. The engineering side of running reactors safely is a solved problem, the US navy has > 7500 reactor-years with a perfect safety record.

The engineering side of running reactors safely is a solved problem, the US navy has > 7500 reactor-years with a perfect safety record. It’s also worth noting that the US Navy is the only organization with a perfect nuclear safety record. My point being: by god, let the Navy nukes train everyone else!

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Re: Belgium stops decommissioning nuclear power plants

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Renewable generation is not the hard part. Renewable transmission and storage is the hard part. Its so hard, in fact, that building very expensive nuke is still much cheaper and more attainable.

That’s not true. The true capture price of nuclear is much higher https://green-giraffe.com/publication/blog-post/what-capture...

"The average capacity factor for the French nuclear fleet has been, due to the optimised management of production," - lol, lmao even. Optimized management in france? Check out how much their refuel outages take vs in US and say that again

Re: Belgium stops decommissioning nuclear power plants

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Believing we're in a climate crisis and also being anti-nuclear are mutually exclusive positions in my mind, and opposition to nuclear from environmentalist orgs should be viewed as a massive historical mistake as it set us back decades in moving the needle on carbon emissions. The engineering side of running reactors safely is a solved problem, the US navy has > 7500 reactor-years with a perfect safety record.

I live close to the Belgian border. Some time ago there was concern about Belgian reactors (they are old and their concrete was fracturing) and they were distributing iodine pills. Keeping them open even longer just sounds peak Belgium.

iodine pills are given pretty much everywhere in a vicinity of npp's not just Belgium. Operating them further is sane if it's safe. Cracks were proven to not be relavant

Re: Belgium stops decommissioning nuclear power plants

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Believing we're in a climate crisis and also being anti-nuclear are mutually exclusive positions in my mind, and opposition to nuclear from environmentalist orgs should be viewed as a massive historical mistake as it set us back decades in moving the needle on carbon emissions. The engineering side of running reactors safely is a solved problem, the US navy has > 7500 reactor-years with a perfect safety record.

Here we go again ... Did those plants suddenly became manageable? No. Did those plants suddenly became cheap? No. Do we suddenly have a solution for the waste? No. Have new uranium deposits suddenly been discovered? No.

yes, plants are cheap, yes, manageable, yes - onkalo, yes - Sweden has one of the largest deposits on the planet and mining ban got removed this year. If you are concerned about uranium you better be concerned about other materials more, since nuclear needs very little of it and it's plenty

Re: Belgium stops decommissioning nuclear power plants

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Why are they unmanageable? They are only expensive because externalities of other solutions are not captures or are subsidised. Wind and solar are expensive if battery storage is included in most of the world. Waste is mostly a solved problem. Much more solved that waste management for coal plants in any case (whom also produce a lot of radioactive waste in addition to producing tons and tons of co2) We have more tha…

> Why are they unmanageable? Just look at the statistics. E. g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_nuclear_disasters_and... To say that they're _potentially_ safe by waving at the US Navy is a fallacy for several reasons. 1. It's p-hacking. E. g. with the same technology the Soviets destroyed five of their reactors. 2. The world of civilian operators is completely incomparable. 3. Civilian power plants use differ…

Yes, we do look at numbers https://ourworldindata.org/safest-sources-of-energy

Germany doesnt want the waste storage to be found. Otherwise it'll just allow storing in Herfa Neurode. What you think is absurd or not is irrelevant. It's up to scientists to decide, eg. ones that built Onkalo.

And to compare them with coal plants is classical whataboutism. "They can't be bad, because I found something other that's bad as well." - considering germany still has both gas & coal and no country matched french emissions, the statement is fine.

"You're right about the minable uranium. That has changed over the last years, so the current estimate is 2080 in a high demand scenario." - this is just about uranium at ± current prices. Uranium above 100ppm is sufficient to outlive the sun

The bulk of the costs stem from the decommissioning of power plants, final disposal, and accident-related expenses. 1 is paid by operators. 2- too. 3 - insurance+asset liability

"The former German vice chancellor even said, he would agree [to build a new nuclear power plant] if found a private operator willing to build a nuclear power plant entirely without government guarantees, subsidies, or liability coverage." - that's bullshit. German npps were built and operated without special subsidies and were insured by law + full asset liability on top.

Germany is still among worst EU polluters after 25y of ewende. France did the job in under 20 for far less money

Re: Belgium stops decommissioning nuclear power plants

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But they're not entitled to their own facts.

The facts are that all large nuclear plants require a stable water supply, and climate change directly threatens that. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211467X2...

water isn't an issue. You can use cooling towers, wastewater or even dry cooling

Re: Belgium stops decommissioning nuclear power plants

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But they're not entitled to their own facts.

There's not much trust in anyone who says nuclear is completely safe, "we fixed it now," etc. That shouldn't be the motto. But fossil fuel is already killing more people, coal puts more radioactive uranium dust into the air even, and that's before getting into climate change. I think people who are anti-nuclear and environmentalist are wrong, but it's not an insane opinion to have. There's no fact you can point to th…

nuclear isnt fully safe, but it's fine https://ourworldindata.org/safest-sources-of-energy

And enviromental impact is low too https://unece.org/sites/default/files/2022-04/LCA_3_FINAL%20...

Re: Belgium stops decommissioning nuclear power plants

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Renewables can give us large amounts of energy but when you need reliable output 24/7/356 you can choose thermal, gas, coal or nuclear. Not all countries have access to thermal energy so if you want to become carbon neutral nuclear is the only valid choice for that aspect.

Or just batteries? Throw on a gas turbine emergency reserve running your favorite fossil or green fuel for well, the emergencies. We’re talking irrelevant emissions. I truly can’t comprehend where this massive boner for new built nuclear power comes from. Sci-fi?

ah yes, green fuel like dirt cheap H2 and irrelevant emissions from multi GW of gas/coal firming... I'm not sure what you mean by a boner for nuclear, but we see France has one of the lowest emissions in EU, did teh job in under 20y, is largest net exporter in EU, and spent on this half of what DE spent on EEG alone. Germany is still one of the worst emitters in EU after 25y of ewende.

No country managed to match french emissions (without sufficient hydro firming) even now. Denmark(albeit helped by nordics), California and SA still have higher emissions

Re: Belgium stops decommissioning nuclear power plants

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> where the only injuries comes from traditional construction and mechanical industry work. Still count.

They do count, but look at it from a societal perspective. For the general public no harm can come their way. Unless they through some mechanical failure manage to walk underneath a wind turbine shedding or collapsing. Same with solar. Which is even less risky. For nuclear power the about all effects from a large scale failure will impact society through either radiation or life changing evacuations. And then society…

evacuation in Fukushima was forced. They could have stayed just as well - dose was too small. Statistically nuclear is great. Even more so considering fossil firming strategy in many countries

Re: Belgium stops decommissioning nuclear power plants

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Yep even before the war German industry was ringing alarm bells about how their high energy costs made it very difficult to compete against China. They should be adopting every sort of energy. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/13/business/energy-environme... > For many industrial companies in Europe, high energy costs have been a big concern, especially since Russia’s 2022 invasion of Ukraine. But even before then, ele…

Germany has one of the world's highest energy costs because taxes on electricity are astronomical. This is a selfmade problem.

taxes are needed to fund infrastructure or pay curtailment
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