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US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by danans »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #602
Unicironic wrote: post #283

It's disheartening to hear people talk about this in terms of won and lost. Is that how you think of these events? I think of them in terms of sadness and horror. The US threatened to obliterate a country and people, because gas was getting a little expensive. If winning and losing is the way you are framing this, instead of thinking about the humans that these actions affect, then we all have lost.

> The US threatened to obliterate a country and people So the same thing Iran has been chating for decades

> > The US threatened to obliterate a country and people > So the same thing Iran has been chating for decades

That indicates that the US has become more like Iran than Iran has become like the US.

Coincidentally (or perhaps not) the US is also increasingly authoritarian and theocratic, like Iran and its regional neighbors (both friends and foes).

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by d3rockk »

bayindirh wrote: post #925
tristanj wrote: post #910

The ceasefire is over. Iran launched three waves of ballistic missiles at Israel after the ceasefire was announced; the first wave happened about an hour after the ceasefire announcement, then another 5 hours after, then another 8 hours after. Iran also launched waves of drones at UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, and Saudi Arabia within the first few hours of the ceasefire, and they've continued more over the next 12 hou…

LiveUAMap shows no such activity currently. Normally it provides information pretty quickly if something like that has happened.

Yes it does. https://iran.liveuamap.com/

Re: US and Iran agree to provisional ceasefire

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Post by a_cardboard_box »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #789

I can't figure out what was even USA goal in this war ? they have said everything and it's contrary, so there is no way to know if they won or if they lost. I guess it's a smart move. But on the other hand, Iran still has enriched uranium, nuclear facilities and now they even have put in the agreement a recognition of Iran's right to seek nuclear technology. Iran missiles.. they still shoot them and there is nothing…

Insider trading. People surrounding Trump like when he does crazy stuff that shifts markets, so they influence him to do so. And Trump is really easy to influence.

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Post by ratg13 »

tristanj wrote: post #917
watwut wrote: post #914

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ceasefire was never between Israel and Iran, Israel did not stopped bombing even after first announcement.

Nope, Israel did stop its strikes on Iran. However, they did not stop bombing Lebanon. https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-backs-iran-truce-opp...

It should be noted that they are not just bombing, but using airburst white phosphorus munitions over civilian areas attempting to scorch the earth and give people a lifetime of health problems.

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Post by shash »

actionfromafar wrote: post #731
maxglute wrote: post #678

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More loss for US, as in customary US not winning fast is functionally the same as losing. Heavy weight boxing a teen it should have brained in round 1. Teen lands a few punches back is embarrassing. Teen slapping heavy weights protectorates more embarrassing. Teen surviving week 4 is like heavy weight failing to brain teen by round 7. At this point it's looking like we're going to round 10 TKO, whoever "wins", US los…

To China, the conflict is a clear demonstration of the impotency of the US war machine. Before this "military operation", one could imagine the US defending Taiwan. Now, it's a laughable thought. It couldn't even if it wanted to.

Remember that the defender has home team advantage. That’s precisely what you see happening both in Iran and Ukraine. That advantage exists with Taiwan. There’s a reason that China hasn’t made a move in all these years, and the US is only one part of that equation.

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Post by ruszki »

RiverStone wrote: post #389
Unicironic wrote: post #283

It's disheartening to hear people talk about this in terms of won and lost. Is that how you think of these events? I think of them in terms of sadness and horror. The US threatened to obliterate a country and people, because gas was getting a little expensive. If winning and losing is the way you are framing this, instead of thinking about the humans that these actions affect, then we all have lost.

That doesn’t align with the perspective of actual Iranians I know. There are news reports of Iranian expats and opponents within Iranian who are disappointed with the ceasefire. They wanted trump to go further and destroy the regime. That aligns with conversations I’ve had with Iranians friends in the US and family members within Iran who want the regime destroyed so there is a chance of removing the Islamic theocrac…

I’ve never seen an example when foreign news really reported what people think on the ground. Especially because people on the ground usually lie. For example in Hungary, the voters of the current “opposition” prime minister candidate would tell you that they vote for him because they want democracy. Yet, they haven’t cared about that for more than a decade. Even when the real reason: inflation was obvious that it would be enormous after the election in 2022, before the previous election. The same with the US, news across the pond doesn’t explain why people vote for Trump, I had to go to the US several times to figure that out.

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Post by senordevnyc »

tristanj wrote: post #455
swat535 wrote: post #352

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Nuclear sites are not "in rubble", uranium is very much intact. They attempted to extract some of it with the failed F15 mission and had to scrap it (oversight by CIA) near Isfahan. 2. Leadership KIA doesn't matter, IRAN has a decentralized leadership, not a top down one. 3. Military apparatus is intact, majority of missile cities are still operating, over 1M IRGC forces mobilized with many more men willing to sig…

> They attempted to extract some of it with the failed F15 mission This is fake Iranian propaganda. It makes no logical sense. The force sent to extract the F15 officer (approx 2 C130s of equipment) is far to small to retrieve tons of nuclear material stored at Isfahan. > Military apparatus is intact No, the IRGC is struggling. After weeks of bombardment, they are unable to provide food or basic supplies for its own…

I thought the consensus was that Iran had less than 500kg of enriched uranium?

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Post by Revanche1367 »

Invictus0 wrote: post #876
holografix wrote: post #554

This is basically a win for Iran. 1. They replaced the decrepit Khameini with a much younger and more formidable Khameini. 2. “Pulled a Ukraine” vs the US showing defiance and have now rallied any wavering regime supporters against the American and Jewish “devils”. 3. Reminded the anti regime population that they’re not going anywhere and that the US can’t help them. 4. Showed everyone in the ME and the world that if…

Only on hacker news is the destruction of all your military hardware and the death of all your leaders a win

Not just HN, just about all social media except far-right Trumpist echo-chambers have been calling it a Iran win or at least a US loss.

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Post by 1234letshaveatw »

kumarvvr wrote: post #278
megamike wrote: post #31

Iran's 10-point plan includes: 1. Guarantee that Iran will not be attacked again 2. Permanent end to the war, not just a ceasefire 3. End to Israeli strikes in Lebanon 4. Lifting of all US sanctions on Iran 5. End to all regional fighting against Iranian allies 6. In return, Iran would open the Strait of Hormuz 7. Iran would impose a Hormuz fee of $2 million per ship 8. Iran would split these fees with Oman 9. Iran t…

Contrast it with the JCPOA by Obama https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/joint-comprehensive-p... Key Aspects of the JCPOA: Enrichment Limits: Iran capped uranium enrichment at 3.67% for 15 years. Centrifuge Restrictions: Reduced operating centrifuges to 5,060 IR-1 machines for 10 years. Stockpile Restrictions: Limited enriched uranium stockpile to 300 kg for 15 years. Facility Redesign: Redesigned the Arak heavy w…

What an awful failure that agreement was. Iran accepted the sanctions relief and ignored the terms of the agreement.
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