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US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Why make gambling legal just to satisfy people who are circumventing the laws? That too by basing themselves outside of the country, as opposed to state lines. Indian society is unconcerned, if not outright supportive of this law. Your counterpoint zeroes in on the specific example, but in addressing it avoids the spirit of the issue. People want certain laws and restrictions. You are arguing that if people choose to…

Because what you’re asking for is untenable in a world of billions of people scattered across countless nations, at least without cutting off the internet outside your borders entirely like North Korea. And trying to force the issue domestically just results in oppression and restriction of human rights. The global digital world is a formless, borderless space; this “freedom VPN” thing, Tor, I2P, v2ray, satellite int…

In which case the country with the least laws decides how everyone else functions.

Remember we started are working from here

> If you want to make gambling illegal, then make gambling illegal and then enforce that law. You don't need to resort to indirect measures that go beyond the law (e.g. by preventing me from merely viewing the odds on a gambling website).

From your argument the only option is to not make anything illegal that is legal in the nation of minimum laws.

Are you arguing that nations - voters - should have no say in what laws they want to live under ?

Do note that I am all for less government control. But our current regulatory and rights landscape is not resolving the questions our voters and infrastructure is throwing up.

Eventually, everything runs on some infrastructure. Control will be forced.

If we want to prevent it, we need to have answers to the issues being thrown up by users.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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> Nobody who understands the scale of the internet could possibly believe this is true. Neither would anybody have believed that 8 out of 10 hard drive chips can contain any rootkits. Yet, here we are, and the insanity of it is that we've found lots of malware attributed to EQGRP, and the Snowden leaks (from the perspective of Booz Allen) have confirmed it. You should read up on quantum routing. They don't have to ro…

> Neither would anybody have believed that 8 out of 10 hard drive chips can contain any rootkits. Yet, here we are I haven't heard this before. Do you have any links I can read on this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equation_Group

Check the snowden leaks for IRATEMONK and TAO (tailored access operations) related documents.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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And truth.

> > And lies. > And truth. In short, propaganda. Propaganda (noun) : Propaganda is communication that is primarily used to influence or persuade an audience to further an agenda, which may not be objective and may be selectively presenting facts to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is being presented…

I tried accessing betfair site. It's not your ISP or govt blocks it but betfair themselves blocks traffic from countries they are not legally have business.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Italy. Examples of sites I can't access without VPN: torrent sites (including legal uses), betfair.com (which I use as a more accurate political predictor than polls), and various non-EU sites which block access because they've decided it's easier than complying with extra-territorial requirements imposed by the EU (this one isn't direct EU censorship, but it amounts to the same thing indirectly. Sometimes I set my V…

This is a definition of censorship that seems to equate restrictions to any website or data stream as freedom, not whether the content of the site breaks local laws. This is a bit extreme, since most countries have laws against gambling, and if you could get around it by just setting up servers abroad, what value are local laws?

"Your law enforcement is censorship, while my censorship is law enforcement "

Got it

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Freedom of speech is not absolute anywhere, not even under the 1st amendment in the USA. Death threats are illegal whether they happen offline or online. Yelling "I HAVE A BOMB!" in an airport comes with consequences. I believe we can agree on these two examples.

> Yelling "I HAVE A BOMB!" in an airport comes with consequences. It's not the speech itself that's illegal, it's the fact that they made everyone nearby aware they could have the means to mass murder everyone around them. People will obviously react to that by taking down the potential threat.

That's a convoluted way of saying "You have a freedom of speech but not after the speech"

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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> The last 150 years of Germany have...ahem...not been what I would call "fine." But it's certainly not been because of that law… At the very least I'm sure you'll agree we've been fine the last 80 or so years. Again, I'm just saying I don't understand the outrage right now.

almost all communication was oral 20 years ago, now-- especially since covid -- it's almost all, even casual comments, through text messages which can easily be used in evidence

That's a good point. Though I wouldn't say text as a medium is the critical factor, it's that more communication is taking place in the open (over social media) and being recorded for everyone to see.

However, I don't see how this would imply the law that's been in place for 150 years would suddenly be bad. In fact, one might argue that precisely because so much communication is happening in public now, more regulation is needed.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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> Original OP clearly said "Europe", not the EU. But the Digital Services Act is EU-specific? Macron's statement referenced the DSA specifically, so I don't know what the UK has to do with that. > As for the DSA censorship, I don't think you've read it. I have. In fact, it seems you didn't read the links I shared, given that the second reference specifically addresses the – quite frankly – bullshit House Judiciary Co…

It cites specific sections of the DSA. Your previous claim was that DSA did not have hate speech provisions. Are you claiming DSA Article 22 does not exist, for example?

> It cites specific sections of the DSA.

Just to be sure, by "it" you're referring to the committee report?

> Your previous claim was that DSA did not have hate speech provisions. Are you claiming DSA Article 22 does not exist, for example?

Please do quote the parts of DSA Article 22 that regulate hate speech or speech in general. It says absolutely nothing of the kind. It concerns itself with "illegal content" and defines procedures to handle it. What content is legal or illegal is defined by the laws already in place in the different member states. Also, procedures to handle illegal content already existed at a national level before DSA was enacted, so the only thing that DSA did was to harmonize them.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Yeah actually we hate you. Apparently you've still got a loft of soft power in Nigeria, though. Most Europeans are now firmly anti-America.

It really doesn’t matter, the leaders who need to overlook personal grudges are the ones who do the wheeling and dealing here. Probably worth noting that if the US isn’t at the head of the table, it’s moved to China by default, not Europe. Though their propaganda seems to be quite successful lately.

Typical American arrogance. You assume you can treat everyone around you like shit and we'll just put up with it.

Don't you understand? You're threatening to invade us, China isn't. So no matter how bad China may be, you're still worse at the moment.

You're so blinded by arrogance. You cannot imagine a world in which you are hated, but it's already here.

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The only country Americans care about is Israel, it doesn't really matter, we get it. We don't care. Please close Ramstein :)

Germany is free to exit NATO and close Ramstein. I believe it only requires a 1-2 year notice period. The defense budget required to operate without US assistance is another matter entirely; you’re looking at doubling existing spending, plus hundreds of billions in one-off procurement costs — and that assumes ongoing access to US weapons systems. The US subsidizes the massive weapons development programs you currentl…

We have no real aspirations for global hegemon status. Ramstein is for your benefit, really. That is the key difference.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Well, since nobody is ego-less, no truth is universally accepted, and debate is a means to pursue an agenda, what are we left with?

> and debate is a means to pursue an agenda Scount mindset: the discovery of the truth to the best of our ability without fear or favour. The metaphor is: A scout who tells the general his troops are strong when they are weak, that the enemy is weak when it is strong, is a bad scout. The opposite is a soldier mindset: a soldier who fears to fight when ordered, no matter the strength of the enemy, isn't a good soldier…

>Scount mindset: the discovery of the truth to the best of our ability without fear or favour.

That's a mind-slave mindset. Why is the scout working for the general and not for himself?

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