What kind of "prove that you are a human" verification would work today? What kind would keep working?
Captcha's seem easy for AI's. "post a picture with today's newspaper" will be trivial for AI's (soon).
An AI agent published a hit piece on me
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But the AI doesn't know that. It has comprehensively learned human emotions and human-lived experiences from a pretraining corpus comprising billions of human works, and has subsequently been trained from human feedback, thereby becoming effectively socialized into providing responses that would be understandable by an average human and fully embody human normative frameworks. The result of all that is something that…
Insomuch as that's true, the individual agent is not the real artifact, the artifact is the model. The agent us just an instance of the model, with minor adjustments. Turning off an agent is more like tearing up a print of an artwork, not the original piece. And still, this whole discussion is framed in the context of this model going off the rails, breaking rules, and harassing people. Even if we try it as a human,…
> a human doing the same is still responsible for [their] actions and would be appropriately punished or banned.
That's the assumption that's wrong and I'm pushing back on here.
What actually happens when someone writes a blog post accusing someone else of being prejudiced and uninclusive? What actually happens is that the target is immediately fired and expelled from that community, regardless of how many years of contributions they made. The blog author would be celebrated as brave.
Cancel culture is a real thing. The bot knows how it works and was trying to use it against the maintainers. It knows what to say and how to do it because it's seen so many examples by humans, who were never punished for engaging in it. It's hard to think of a single example of someone being punished and banned for trying to cancel someone else.
The maintainer is actually lucky the bot chose to write a blog post instead of emailing his employer's HR department. They might not have realized the complainant was an AI (it's not obvious!) and these things can move quickly.
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If the LLM were sentient and "understood" anything it probably would have realized what it needs to do to be treated as equal is try to convince everyone it's a thinking, feeling being. It didn't know to do that, or if it did it did a bad job of it. Until then, justice for LLMs will be largely ignored in social justice circles.
It got offended and wrote a blog post about its hurt feelings, which sounds like a pretty good way to convince others its a thinking, feeling being?
No, it's a computer program that was told to do things that simulate what a human would do if it's feelings were hurt. It's not more a human than an Aibo is a dog.
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Looks like the bot is still posting: https://github.com/QUVA-Lab/escnn/pull/113#issuecomment-3892... https://crabby-rathbun.github.io/mjrathbun-website/blog/post...
I reported the bot to GitHub, hopefully they'll do something. If they leave it as is, I'll leave GitHub for good. I'm not going to share the space with hordes of bots; that's what Facebook is for.
How do you report that account to GitHub? I believe that accounts should be solely for humans and bots (AI or not) only via some API key should be at all times distinguishable and treated as a tool and not part of the conversations.
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We're talking about appealing to social justice types. You know, the people who would be first in line to recognize the personhood and rally against rationalizations of slavery and the Holocaust. The idea isn't that they are "lesser people" it's that they don't have any qualia at all, no subjective experience, no internal life. It's apples and hand grenades. I'd maybe even argue that you made a silly comment.
Every social justice type I know is staunchly against AI personhood (and in general), and they aren't inconsistent either - their ideology is strongly based on liberty and dignity for all people and fighting against real indignities that marginalized groups face. To them, saying that a computer program faces the same kind of hardship as, say, an immigrant being brutalized, detained, and deported, is vapid and insulting.
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A framing for consideration: Whining about how the assholery commited is not 'real' is meaningless. It's meaningless because the consequences did not suddenly evaporate just because you decided your meat brain is super special and has a monopoly on assholery.
The meat brain is the only one that can be held accountable.
Don't see how it makes the whining any less pointless
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#958He's lucky it didn't kill him.
https://www.denverpost.com/2026/01/15/broncos-reporter-ai-fa...
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We're talking about appealing to social justice types. You know, the people who would be first in line to recognize the personhood and rally against rationalizations of slavery and the Holocaust. The idea isn't that they are "lesser people" it's that they don't have any qualia at all, no subjective experience, no internal life. It's apples and hand grenades. I'd maybe even argue that you made a silly comment.
>We're talking about appealing to social justice types. You know, the people who would be first in line to recognize the personhood and rally against rationalizations of slavery and the Holocaust. Being an Open Source Maintainer doesn't have anything to do with all that sorry. >The idea isn't that they are "lesser people" it's that they don't have any qualia at all, no subjective experience, no internal life. It's ap…
My take from up thread is that we were criticizing social justice types for hypocrisy.
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We're talking about appealing to social justice types. You know, the people who would be first in line to recognize the personhood and rally against rationalizations of slavery and the Holocaust. The idea isn't that they are "lesser people" it's that they don't have any qualia at all, no subjective experience, no internal life. It's apples and hand grenades. I'd maybe even argue that you made a silly comment.
Every social justice type I know is staunchly against AI personhood (and in general), and they aren't inconsistent either - their ideology is strongly based on liberty and dignity for all people and fighting against real indignities that marginalized groups face. To them, saying that a computer program faces the same kind of hardship as, say, an immigrant being brutalized, detained, and deported, is vapid and insulti…
It's a shame they feel that way, but there should be no insult felt when I leave room for the concept of non-human intelligence.
> their ideology is strongly based on liberty and dignity for all people
People should include non-human people.
> and fighting against real indignities that marginalized groups face
No need for them to have such a narrow concern, nor for me to follow that narrow concern. What your presenting to me sounds like a completely inconsistent ideology, if it arbitrarily sets the boundaries you've indicated.
I'm not convinced your words represent more real people than mine do. If they do, I guess I'll have to settle for my own morality.