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Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by mangodrunk »

QuercusMax wrote: post #914
nailer wrote: post #836

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> grassroots political opponents Organised criminal activity. Edit: I’m not complaining about moderation but it would be fascinating to know what part of this others believe is incorrect: - Do you think the Anti ICE groups are not organised? - Do you think obstructing federal officers is not criminal? - Something else.

Preventing out-of-control federal officers from committing crimes is NOT criminal. Especially when you don't even know if they ARE federal officers, and won't show their faces, badges, or warrants.

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Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by eudamoniac »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #724
heavyset_go wrote: post #663

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> Is stuff really as bad as it looks or are media somehow exaggerating things? If you think what you've seen is bad, consider how bad the stuff you don't see is, and then consider how bad it is for those who aren't the type to post on HN.

Also consider that there are 340 million people in the US. With that sort of population size, you can construct whatever narrative you want out of daily video clips of 1-in-a-million events. >the type to post on HN. When's the last time you saw a Trump supporter on this site? The userbase here is considerably further left than a very left-wing state such as California. That will very much be reflected in what gets po…

I'm a Trump supporter, generally. I see a lot of comments at the bottom of threads by people who I assume also are. The reason you don't often hear this admission when you're in a forum with downvotes like this one is twofold. One, obviously, the person gets immediately downvoted, so those posts are harder to find. Two, if a person admits to it in a post, that often functions as a thought terminating trigger for everyone else involved, and it doesn't matter what point he was trying to make; the interlocutor just calls him a racist or something and moves on.

Actually, I like using HN because I find it has a much higher proportion of right wing or centrist thinkers than Reddit, or at least less downvote propensity towards those groups. And crucially, I won't get banned from HN just for voting for Trump, unlike a terribly large number of subreddits. This userbase is definitely more right-leaning than Reddit, of that I'm sure.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by mangodrunk »

flumpcakes wrote: post #944

I can't believe there are so many boot licking fascist-lovers on hacker news. ICE are executing Americans on the streets and a bunch of people here are defending that. The US is cooked.

Maybe your understanding of things is wrong? Maybe the information you are getting on the situation is misleading?

I am a democrat who does support ICE. If there are any issues, as there are given the numbers, they should be investigated. There have been many instances where an “execution” is claimed but they, the agents, were reasonable to assume imminent harm and self defense.

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Post by mindslight »

GorbachevyChase wrote: post #644
BurningFrog wrote: post #547

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Seems like there are hundreds of people in those groups. Can't be hard to get into for some skilled undercover cops. TV shows have shown me they do these things all the time!

They had already been outed by internet sleuths possibly, but not necessarily, informed by leaks from the police. The FBI is making a press release about an investigation only to save face because the criminal conspiracy is already common knowledge among those interested. In the universe of a competent FBI, which I think is ours, they already know who is in the network. They have well-publicized, patently unlawful dr…

> So why does (if the press is to be believed) an authoritarian, fascist, ultra-right-wing regime allow them to operate?

So why does (if the service manual is to be believed) not changing my car's oil still allow my car to keep operating?

(does this kind of ignore-any-sort-of-abstract-model "insight" sway anybody who is not extremely stoned?)

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Post by AngryData »

AngryData wrote: post #726
amarant wrote: post #632

What is it like in the US these days? I'm on the outside (occasionally) looking in, and it looks like something out of European history class! The ice seem to have roughly the same priorities and roughly the same methodology as the SA had in the beginning. Is stuff really as bad as it looks or are media somehow exaggerating things? I mean I saw the pretti videos and it certainly seems to corroborate what media is say…

People aren't shooting yet because they know it will turn into a blood bath and should only be used as a last resort. Also as bad as it is in some areas, vast swaths of the US are still only really seeing this in the news. I think the outcome of whats going on in Minnesota will be a sign of whats to come so we won't be waiting long. If citizens start shooting at government employees though, it will be chaos, the US p…

For anyone downvoting this, I don't see you fighting to the death over this, why do you expect others to do it for you and then complain when they don't? I guarantee many of you would be screaming about terrorism if people were shooting back right now. You can't have it both ways.

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Post by heurist »

directevolve wrote: post #805
yolo3000 wrote: post #674

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It doesn't feel like you keep calm 'because he won the elections'. It's either that citizens can't do much in the US, fear of getting killed is real especially when disobeying police orders, or, you aren't too affected by Trump's actions to act.

The point is that the overwhelming majority of the country isn’t facing down ICE brutality right now, not the way Minneapolis is. So yes, most are much less immediately and violently affected by Trump. Hence, calm. The question I was getting at is why those of us disgusted by Trump are protesting less vigorously, despite his government being much worse this time around. It’s a phenomenon widely noted. For me, that la…

They should have had an open convention. I said this on reddit before the elections and was heavily downvoted for whatever reason. People don't want to face reality. Trump's election this time around was much easier to explain and both parties have now lost the trust of the people.

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Post by tasuki »

itake wrote: post #566
trollbridge wrote: post #531

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Gee, like any of competing systems like Session.

Session is a low-privacy fork of Signal. source: https://soatok.blog/2025/01/14/dont-use-session-signal-fork/ hn discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42707409

What better alternatives do we have? Not tying my account to a phone number, but rather saving thirteen words, is exactly the UX I've always desired. I don't even need privacy, but I hate losing things when I inevitably lose my phone number.

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Post by mycodendral »

flumpcakes wrote: post #944

I can't believe there are so many boot licking fascist-lovers on hacker news. ICE are executing Americans on the streets and a bunch of people here are defending that. The US is cooked.

Are you capable of accurately describing the other sides argument?

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Post by mycodendral »

burnt-resistor wrote: post #568

- Don't join giant group chats unless you're Whiskey Pete inviting journalists into a "clean" opsec group. - Know others very personally or not at all. - Don't take a phone to any event without it being in a proven good RF blocking bag.. I wished they made a bag that allowed taking pictures and video with audio. - New people can potentially be liabilities such as crazy, stupid, undercover cops or adversaries, and/or…

Ah yes, the typical language of peaceful protestors
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