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It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Using the term "Legacy Taxi" to imply that a taxi you don't summon by phone is somehow out-dated is wild. I understand the reason you would use it, especially at a company like Uber, but it still seems hilariously delusional.

I've never worked for Uber and I see the old model as a barbaric non-starter, why on earth would I want to flag a car down instead

The point is that a taxi is a taxi. It's like calling cash "Legacy Payments"

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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I see mostly Apple watches, a few Samsungs, a small smattering of Pixel watches, and then rarely other brands like Garmin and what not around me.

That's probably regional then. In my area most people using watches nowadays are usually into sports. I must admit I don't understand the point of a smart watch when most people have their smartphone in their hand a significant amount of time a day and said smartphones screen sizes have been increasing over the year because people want to be able to doom scroll at pictures and videos and interact with whatsapp all da…

Apple watches have the highest marketshare in a lot of the world's markets. According to this analysis[1], watchOS (Apple watches) make up around half of all smartwatches used in Europe. Global sales puts Apple around 20-30% market share, with brands like Samsung and Garmin around 8% [2]. I haven't found good US-only statistics to show what the market share is of watchOS is, but I'd imagine its probably close to 50% or more.

I do agree though, anecdotal experiences will vary depending on the kind of people you hang out with. For the people I know heavily into running and cycling, brands like Garmin are over represented. Meanwhile lots of other consumers practically don't even know these are options.

[1] https://www.mordorintelligence.com/industry-reports/europe-s...

[2] https://scoop.market.us/smartwatch-statistics/

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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post #82

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Once you try the dark mode, you'll realize the irony is done on purpose. Edit: I'm not implying it's a good thing. It's a joke that did not drop. Given the audience is trying to read text. And he's making it annoying to read text. It's like a stand-up comedian telling a joke, in a wild accent; where the audience cannot discern what he's saying.

It's a joke for this specific topic, that is on the entire website, and has been for almost a month prior[1] to this post being published? [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20251207071946/https://tonsky.me...

"I’m Niki. Here I write about programming and UI design"

I'd imagine he thought the blog was mostly going to be about UI. "Haha, a blog talking about UI, with bad UI. Isn't that funny!"

Like there's no way the flashlight UI was done for usability purposes. It has to be a joke.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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post #946

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> fitts law Applies only to an increasingly obscure input device. No one talks about Fitts's Law on phones, because it's fundamentally wrong. The "size" of a control assumes you have a mouse or joystick or something trying to find it. Fingers don't do that, no one worries about moving to a control. > Discoverability Equally true of a hamburger menu. > I use menus all the time I do too! Because we're dinosaurs. > You…

> Applies only to an increasingly obscure input device. No one talks about Fitts's Law on phones I'm not talking about fitts law on phones though, I don't think anyone is. This is about Tahoe/mac OS on Macs. But I'd hardly call a mouse, or a trackpad 'increasingly obscure' I use the fact that I have an infinite target area with my trackpad everyday. It's one of those things that a user might not consciously notice un…

> I'm not talking about fitts law on phones though, I don't think anyone is.

I was, in the comment you responded to!

I'm saying that phone-centric UI paradigms completely dominate in the modern world. And by extension, arguments like the linked article dancing on pins over minutiae of the menu bar, are missing the point. Good User Interface design in the coming decades simply is not going to use menu bars, it's not. It exists for dinosaurs like us, not the coming generation of tool users who will be directing AI or whatever and not digging through text.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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post #710

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This is why I regard ChromeOS with fear. Because it really does feel like everything is just converging on the browser as the OS, and a browser is not a goddamn OS.

The browser is effectively an OS - and it’s not very productive to cling to the notion that it isn’t one

It's not very productive to build an entire OS on top of and JIT compiled on top of my already mature and functional OS. It's a waste of my time.

And if it is an OS, it's also just not one where I can be very productive.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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post #699

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I despise SF Symbols. Cheap, lame, boring, flat little hieroglyphics do not make good icons. They're just cheap.

If rather have a boring but consistent and usable UI than something jazzy but inconsistent and broken. Every app should not be its own little universe as if it was a videogame.

"Usable" being the key word. 12 or 14 pixel square hieroglyphics are not good icons, end of story.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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Apple can afford to improve and cheapify this thing for a decade.

That’s sort of what they did with the Watch. It has incrementally improved, and gotten cheaper, to the point that I now see them everywhere . When they first came out, they were pretty expensive. Remember the $17,000 gold Watch (which is now obsolete)? The ceramic ones were over a couple of grand. But the dream of selling Watch apps seems to have died. I think most folks just use the built-in apps.

Not really anything like the watch, the existence of a stupidly expensive "luxury" version doesn't change the fact that the normal one started at $350.

I think the current rumor is that development of a cheaper XR headset has been shelved in favor of working on something to compete with Meta's AI glasses.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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post #919

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The browser is effectively an OS - and it’s not very productive to cling to the notion that it isn’t one

It's not very productive to build an entire OS on top of and JIT compiled on top of my already mature and functional OS. It's a waste of my time. And if it is an OS, it's also just not one where I can be very productive.

It is productive though because it’s a universal platform. The economics of it are unavoidable

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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post #950

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> Applies only to an increasingly obscure input device. No one talks about Fitts's Law on phones I'm not talking about fitts law on phones though, I don't think anyone is. This is about Tahoe/mac OS on Macs. But I'd hardly call a mouse, or a trackpad 'increasingly obscure' I use the fact that I have an infinite target area with my trackpad everyday. It's one of those things that a user might not consciously notice un…

> I'm not talking about fitts law on phones though, I don't think anyone is. I was , in the comment you responded to! I'm saying that phone-centric UI paradigms completely dominate in the modern world. And by extension, arguments like the linked article dancing on pins over minutiae of the menu bar, are missing the point. Good User Interface design in the coming decades simply is not going to use menu bars, it's not.…

interesting take. I don't buy it though. But I guess we need to wait and see.

Apple has long been rumoured to be on the path to merging IOS and mac OS (whatever that means) . MS already tried it and failed.

  I for one, usually avoid using phone apps and tend to use websites (for example) instead since the phone apps usually have arbitrary limitations enforced by piss poor UI.   
The most obvious and egregious example is the number of apps that don't let you open more than one view - e.g. Amazon. I can't look at 2 products in amazon app at the same time. It's just horrendous.

The next obvious one is Youtube -- The app is just terrible. Using a browser is a better experience in every way.

Re: It's hard to justify Tahoe icons

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post #956

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If rather have a boring but consistent and usable UI than something jazzy but inconsistent and broken. Every app should not be its own little universe as if it was a videogame.

"Usable" being the key word. 12 or 14 pixel square hieroglyphics are not good icons, end of story.

SF Symbols is not a bitmap font.
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