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Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by kelnos »

lynx97 wrote: post #828
Aurornis wrote: post #558

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> Being diagnosed doesn't immediately mean you should be accommodated. This is the loophole. Universities aren't the ones diagnosing, they're the ones accommodating. The current meta-game is for parents and students to share notes about which doctors will diagnose easily. Between word of mouth and searches on Reddit, it's not that hard to find doctors in any metro area who will provide diagnoses and accommodation req…

As a 100% blind person, I am schocked to read this. In a sense, my hunch that DEI is a big fucking scam has just been confirmed yet again. Besides, I wish a real, life-changing disability onto all of these faking people. The children, and their parents.

What a weird take. What does this have to do with DEI?

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by kelnos »

LorenPechtel wrote: post #736
doctorwho42 wrote: post #621

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Don't forget being observant of things that many people in our distracted (attention economy) society tend to miss/ignore. I had a friend's wife gas-light him into thinking he is on the spectrum and that many of his friends from college are as well... A well established and respected engineering school in the US. I'm not saying there aren't people there who would most likely fall onto it, but being detail oriented or…

Autism spectrum highly favors jobs where it's basically person with data. I have seen estimates that a *majority* of programmers (my own field) lie somewhere on the spectrum. I suspect I lie at the mild end of the spectrum--and I see programming as playing to my strengths and against my weaknesses.

> I have seen estimates that a majority* of programmers (my own field) lie somewhere on the spectrum*

That seems incredibly unlikely today, and doesn't at all match with my experience. Obviously I am not qualified to diagnose someone with autism, but the idea that more than 50% of my colleagues, past and present, are on the spectrum... that just doesn't pass the smell test.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by WalterBright »

will4274 wrote: post #845
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At Caltech, exams were take-home, with a 2 hour time limit. It was on your honor to abide by the 2 hour rule. I used my alarm clock. Ya know, the funny thing about students - if you presume they are honest, they tend to be honest. The students loved it, I loved it. If anyone cheated, the students would turn him in. Nobody ever bragged about cheating, 'cuz they would have been ostracized. Besides, I actually wanted to…

> if you presume they are honest, they tend to be honest. The students loved it, I loved it. If anyone cheated, the students would turn him in. Nobody ever bragged about cheating, 'cuz they would have been ostracized. I think if you look at the 2012 Harvard cheating scandal, it's clear that this isn't true. There, the professor presumed honest students, hundreds cheated, and no student reported. https://en.wikipedia.…

It doesn't always work, that's for sure. I suspect one of the things the admissions committee did was try to filter out the cheaters. Explaining how the honor system worked was part of the freshman orientation camp (held on Catalina Island).

One reason it did work is the students liked being trusted, and they did not like anyone that would threaten the system, and would turn them in.

BTW, that was 50 years ago. I have no information on how the honor system is fairing today.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by kelnos »

sfink wrote: post #673
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> putting water on the toothbrush before toothpaste Wat? I had no idea I had a disability!

Same here. My logic is that my toothbrush is in the same room as a device for aerosolizing fecal bacteria, which is kinda gross but also not that different from a lot of other surfaces and environments, and that it's going to collect some amount of stuff floating around. A quick rinse is going to dislodge a good fraction of what has accumulated over the course of a day. I thought I was just being logical, but apparen…

> my toothbrush is in the same room as a device for aerosolizing fecal bacteria

I can't believe I've never thought of this, but now I am entirely grossed out and will start rinsing my toothbrush before using it.

(I guess that means you gave me ADHD! It's infectious via text!)

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by kelnos »

SanjayMehta wrote: post #761
Phithagoras wrote: post #433

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In a high stakes, challenging environment, every human weakness possible becomes a huge, career impeding liability. Very few people are truly all-around talented. If you are a Stanford level scientist, it doesn't take a lot of anxiety to make it difficult to compete with other Stanford level scientists who don't have any anxiety. Without accommodations, you could still be a very successful scientist after going to a…

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While I'm sure there are some (many?) people faking it for accommodations or drugs, I assure you that ADHD is real. I know several people with ADHD who have struggled to find the right combination of medication to even get to a state where they can lead functional lives, which is still not what us neurotypical folks would call "normal".

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by zamalek »

Panzer04 wrote: post #827
zamalek wrote: post #110

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Fundamentally I would be fine with this, the system exploits us so it's only fair to exploit it in return. Practically, however, my concern remains for people who need resources to support them.

These people are defacto exploiting others who are judged by tighter standards. This attitude of it being OK to abuse some people because you feel like you're being abused needs to go. It's #$@%#@ childish.

Businesses/corporations are not people.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by lupire »

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I don't see how getting 50% extra time on exams is anything remotely close to cheating. Almost nothing I do in my day to day job comes close to being as time-boxed or arbitrarily restrictive as exams were in college.

> Almost nothing I do in my day to day job comes close to being as time-boxed or arbitrarily restrictive as exams were in college. An unpleasant fact of law-school faculty life is that, at least at my school, I'm required to grade students so that the average is between 3.2 (a high B) and 3.4 (a low B-plus). Because of the nature of my course [0], a timed final exam is about the only realistic way to spread out The C…

Give Everyone a 3.3

Have a random lottery for grades.

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by lupire »

will4274 wrote: post #857
loeg wrote: post #477

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Why don't all students get the extra time, then?

Doesn't satisfy the ADA. Department of Ed will sue and say that an accomodation given to everybody is no accomodation at all.

Are you implying that if someone walks up a wheelchair ramp, then the building is violating the ADA?

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by lynx97 »

kelnos wrote: post #951
lynx97 wrote: post #828

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As a 100% blind person, I am schocked to read this. In a sense, my hunch that DEI is a big fucking scam has just been confirmed yet again. Besides, I wish a real, life-changing disability onto all of these faking people. The children, and their parents.

What a weird take. What does this have to do with DEI?

Well, if everyone and their dog gets special status due to DEI, it apparently makes even more people want to join in on the fun. Isn't that obvious?

Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?

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Post by CGMthrowaway »

Aurornis wrote: post #579
skeeter2020 wrote: post #519

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Steriods will give you a massive physical advantage too. If you're not doing something with a governing body and get them prescribed you're golden.

This is actually another growing problem: TRT clinics will prescribe testosterone to virtually anyone who requests it. Among new TRT patients, a large number of them didn't even have bloodwork drawn before receiving their first prescription. Many of the TRT clinics also hide the fact that going on TRT results in testicular atrophy and lifelong dependence. The forums and Reddits are full of people who decided that inj…

>TRT clinics will prescribe testosterone to virtually anyone who requests it.

Why is that a problem, exactly? Hiding side effects is a problem I can understand, but struggling to understand why someone shouldn't be able to get TRT freely.

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