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Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

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Re: Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

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Post by r00fus »

api wrote: post #936
AbstractH24 wrote: post #935

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It’ll be interesting to see the headlines the onions writing by summer 2026. For all I dislike him, Trump essentially squandered the political capital he had on things that are shiny, motivated by ego, and created clickbaity headlines that single out small subsets of the American populous. He could have done far far worse and less reversible things to America. We’re now at the start of the end of his presidency, with…

I don’t know a ton about Mamdani but he doesn’t seem narcissistic. I agree with most of his goals but have serious doubts about the viability of the methods. We’ll see. My biggest doubts are around the idea of price controls, which almost always lead to perverse incentives. The economy finds a way to sneak in an effective price increase via other means. Either that or you create a landed gentry of sorts, or a “landed…

> My biggest doubts are around the idea of price controls,

DeBlasio froze rent for rent-stabilized units for 3 years straight. Literally everything Mamdani campaigned on is entirely possible and funding straightforward.

Not easy, but emminently doable.

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Post by laterium »

_heimdall wrote: post #697
xivzgrev wrote: post #415

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I'll give you one reason, among many, it wasn't a failure. It made it illegal to deny people health insurance coverage based on pre existing conditions. That was a big step forward in a broken system to restore some humanity to the system.

Had the ACA gone further and actually provided a single payer system, I'd consider the block on denials based on preexisting conditions a win. As it is we have a system of private "insurance" that can't consider the risk level of those being insured. All that means is the companies charge everyone else more to subsidize the cost of those who are more at risk. That bastardizes the whole point of private insurance. I d…

How do you address adverse selection then? There's no private insurance where you don't address adverse selection. Either you force everyone to have coverage: ie car insurance in US or universal health insurance systems or you force them to get insured in groups (US employer based insurance), or you accept outrageously expensive rates for it.

Healthcare already being expensive doesn't make it amenable to that last option unlike insuring your laptop where you might be okay paying 2-5x the expected loss for peace of mind. Criticizing the method of addressing adverse selection is fine, but not the existence of it. You need something. There's no such thing as completely free market of health insurance. Any economist can easily explain this to you.

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Post by laterium »

Ancapistani wrote: post #819
NeutralCrane wrote: post #764

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> All that means is the companies charge everyone else more to subsidize the cost of those who are more at risk. Literally the purpose of insurance

Huh? The purpose of insurance is to mitigate the risk of a very costly but unlikely outcome by paying a smaller amount over time, thereby spreading that risk among those of similar risk. Not being able to consider individual risk means that insurance makes no sense for those with a low risk profiles, because they’re in the same cohort as those who will _definitely_ file claims.

How do you propose we address adverse selection in insurance markets then? That's the part you're overlooking and making you go "Huh?". It's clear to everyone else.

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Post by rozap »

tim333 wrote: post #727
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As a Brit who has been exposed to the blanket coverage of this on social media: Mamdani is going to be like Sadiq Khan. Popular with people in the city, while those outside run endless weird fantasy "news" scare stories because he's a Muslim.

I'm a Londoner who voted for Khan. There's a difference in that contrary to all the scapegoat stuff in the right wing press, Khan has had largely sensible middle of of the road policies. And where he has deviated from the average, on air pollution, it's been stuff I'm in favour of - I have desire to get sick/die from that. Mamdani seems like a nice guy but some of his policies seem a bit bonkers - state owned retail…

It's a pilot of 5 publicly funded grocery stores in food deserts. I don't know if food deserts exist in London, but they're pretty bad in the US. Like, you cannot buy a vegetable for miles. It's a sensible policy to eliminate food deserts just from a public health perspective.

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Post by r00fus »

ecshafer wrote: post #772
dluan wrote: post #541

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well Prop 50 to redraw California's district lines passed by a nearly 30% margin and counting right now. That's an absolute spanking leading up to 26 midterms. The story tonight isn't about Trump at all though, it's about millennial DSA types beating the establishment Democratic institution - in NYC, Detroit, Mississippi. In 24 everyone was astonished at the lack of response - "what is DNC going to do about losing to…

Zohran is literally never eligible to be President without a constitutional amendment.

Zohran will be the kingmaker is what I infer @dluan is trying to say.

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Post by _heimdall »

SilasX wrote: post #812
_heimdall wrote: post #697

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Had the ACA gone further and actually provided a single payer system, I'd consider the block on denials based on preexisting conditions a win. As it is we have a system of private "insurance" that can't consider the risk level of those being insured. All that means is the companies charge everyone else more to subsidize the cost of those who are more at risk. That bastardizes the whole point of private insurance. I d…

>As it is we have a system of private "insurance" that can't consider the risk level of those being insured. All that means is the companies charge everyone else more to subsidize the cost of those who are more at risk. That's what social insurance/welfare systems do throughout the developed world -- make sure everyone's covered at some minimal level even if it wouldn't be profitable when evaluated individually; it's…

What you're describing isn't insurance. There's nothing wrong with that and maybe (probably) its better than what the US has today, but if it claims to be insurance than it must be allowing the insurer to consider the risk of each policy it writes.

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Post by r00fus »

julianozen wrote: post #130
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #117

I'm noticing that this election result has made a lot of people I know really hopeful. It's apparent that many people are fed up with the status quo so they're pushing towards more experimental candidates. If anyone here is well-read on his policies and they have specific opinions I'd love to hear what you think. Do you think Zohran will be successful with his agenda or will he get blocked by pushback from other poli…

Hi I don’t think I like several of his ideas or think he will get most of them passed. In fact I think a few like “freezing the rent” are actively bad But I’m happy to finally have a politician who lives in and loves New York and is earnestly trying to my the city better. If he tries and fails, it will be better than our other politicians that have stopped trying

DeBlasio froze rent (for rent-stabilized apartments just like Zohran is proposing) for 3 straight years. Nothing new here.

Combining it with streamlining city approval process and building more actual city development will actually stabilize the rent across the market.

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Post by solid_fuel »

BonitaPersona wrote: post #800
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The Democrats lost the last election because they put too much effort into catering to the right and completely lost their own base. The only thing Kamala Harris had to do was take a stance against genocide - which should be a no-brainer , instead she only doubled down and started talking about guns and bringing neocons into the fold. Now she's getting dragged on Twitter for her effusive eulogizing of Dick Cheney. Do…

>Does anyone think that if Zohran or Kamala died tomorrow, that anyone on the right, even up to the White House, would return the same courtesy? Yes they would, as they have been doing so far. You should widen your sources of information.

> Yes they would, as they have been doing so far.

Yeah? Where have they been doing that so far?

You're seriously claiming that Trump, or his administration, would act with class and offer condolences if an opponent were killed or died? He couldn't even be bothered to say anything about the Hortmans being murdered by a MAGA lunatic [0].

He and his shitty son both publicly mocked Paul Pelosi multiple times after another MAGA nutjob attacked him with a hammer. [1][2]

> You should widen your sources of information.

You should reevaluate yours, you are in a cult.

[0] https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/trump-condolences-... [1] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-shares-video-m... [2] https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-jr-mocks-nancy-pe...

Re: Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

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Post by surge »

reenorap wrote: post #401
michaelbarton wrote: post #13

I hope this win signals (to both parties) that voters are receptive and will get engaged when a clear message is presented about cost of living and quality of life issues. Some of which are taken for granted in most other western countries. I’m no political wonk, and I’m curious what others with more insight might say about his ability to fund and implement his polices. I’m reminided of Obama and his hopeful message…

Obama was hated by San Franciscan progressives because he came in with all of these promises and then backtracked on almost all of them. He basically turned into a Bush-lite, and he even maintained every single one of Bush's policies as well as deadlines. For example, he talked a lot about abortion and then immediately said it wasn't a priority for him once he got into office. He never closed Guantanamo and in both e…

I always called him a Bush-lite too, such a disappointment. Did everything I disliked about Bush and nothing about the things he said he'd do. If anything some of the things he did were worse, like executing a US Citizen with a drone without trial or crime to get a man that wasn't even there.

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Post by AbstractH24 »

r00fus wrote: post #950
AbstractH24 wrote: post #932

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It’s basic math: 50.4-49.8=0.6 That’s how. You seem to be conflating the margin between the winner and the next candidate with an overwhelming majority of people all feeling the same way. The former is a mandate, the latter is just being the least disliked. And remember, the day after the election last year people thought Trump had gotten a majority of the popular vote. But then, once absentee ballots were counted he…

You are confusing a 2-way race with a 3-way race. Mamdani could've won with a lot less than 50% (since there was no ranked choice - and even if it was, I doubt any Sliwa voter would have given Cuomo any 2nd place votes). The fact that he cleared 50% in a 3-way race is itself a mandate.

> The fact that he cleared 50% in a 3-way race is itself a mandate.

Most people would not agree with this.

To put it another way, he is leading a city where a majority or close to a majority did not support his candidacy. A mandate is when a large majority of the people you are leading supported your rise to leadership and you are no leading with their approval.

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