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A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by LexiMax »

bawolff wrote: post #940
vkou wrote: post #853

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Someone disapproving of things isn't grounds for comparing it to a cycle of vengeance that leaves everyone blind. If you think there's a better set of global rules that reddit should adopt, that's a fair observation. But until it does, it's not fair to call out other subs for mirroring the rules of a problem sub. If it can behave that way, so can they. If it can exist as a safe space for MAGAs, the rest of us are fre…

> If it can behave The thing about morality is its about how you "should" behave not how you "can" behave. > If it can exist as a safe space for MAGAs, the rest of us are free to create a safe space from MAGAs. If you think its a-ok when /r/conservative does it, then by all means sure. I mostly object to the hypocrisy here. The original comment found /r/conservative's mod policy objectionable. Either it should be ok…

There is nothing hypocritical about being okay with the idea of moderation in the abstract while disagreeing with a specific implementation of it.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by LexiMax »

mlrtime wrote: post #938
noir_lord wrote: post #910

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Oh I’m definitely biased, I’m not a huge fan of quasi-fascist morons hiding behind a thin veneer of legitimacy while breaking the law, electing a sex offender, destroying every relationship with their foreign allies and engaging in hilariously blatant corruption. Nor am I fan of their voters/supporters. At this point if you don’t oppose them you implicitly support them, the normal rules no longer apply.

>At this point if you don’t oppose them you implicitly support them, the normal rules no longer apply. ^ The average far-left in a nutshell. You are either with us, or against us. There is no centralist.

What a weird time to find out that most of my centrist and conservative friends are actually far left because they mostly agree with such an assessment.

Then again, I suppose definitions can differ. Maybe you have a set of principles and boundaries. Maybe you're just rooting for or against a sports team.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by culll_kuprey »

LexiMax wrote: post #952
mlrtime wrote: post #938

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>At this point if you don’t oppose them you implicitly support them, the normal rules no longer apply. ^ The average far-left in a nutshell. You are either with us, or against us. There is no centralist.

What a weird time to find out that most of my centrist and conservative friends are actually far left because they mostly agree with such an assessment. Then again, I suppose definitions can differ. Maybe you have a set of principles and boundaries. Maybe you're just rooting for or against a sports team.

The craziest thing for me was seeing my father, whom my whole life was an solid Cold War era republican (better dead than red and all that) started posting about nationalizing companies Trump was beefing with.

On the other hand, there are some old jokes hiding in there somewhere.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by cestith »

cap11235 wrote: post #867
cestith wrote: post #849

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People forget there are certain special interest groups and even individuals that have more resources to back such a campaign than many nation states. One such individual regularly promises his followers to change the results of his own LLM to match their beliefs, regardless of original training data.

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It means there are people with personal wealth larger than the GDP of many nation states. Some of those people like Musk, Murdoch, Thiel, Putin, bin Salman, Gates, Koch brothers, Zuckerberg, Ellison, Turner, Bloomberg, Adelson, Hoffman, and more who fund campaigns, media blitzes, and activism for various issues and candidates in various parties. Some of them do that worldwide. Some of them own their own media companies. Some of them also control countries, but have enough personal wealth to fund things themselves rather than tying their government personnel to it.

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Post by cestith »

npteljes wrote: post #913
cap11235 wrote: post #867

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He alluded to Elon Musk.

As one of several people, yes. In-kind contributions to causes and now (with Citizens United) candidates are not limited. You don’t have to be a nation state to hire human influencers, bot farms, coders to create new bot farms, or to influence search results and LLM outputs. You just have to have the cash or control to do it.

Years before he was President, in 1989, Trump himself took out four full-page newspaper ads in all four major NYC newspapers of the time calling for the deaths of the Central Park Five and broader use of the death penalty in general. The railroaded teenagers were later exonerated, thankfully without first being killed by the government. That’s just a small example of the kind of influence money can have on public discourse, well before everyone had a smartphone in their pocket.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by npteljes »

cestith wrote: post #955
npteljes wrote: post #913

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He alluded to Elon Musk.

As one of several people, yes. In-kind contributions to causes and now (with Citizens United) candidates are not limited. You don’t have to be a nation state to hire human influencers, bot farms, coders to create new bot farms, or to influence search results and LLM outputs. You just have to have the cash or control to do it. Years before he was President, in 1989, Trump himself took out four full-page newspaper ads…

Very good example, thanks for sharing. Too early do people jump to conclusions online, calling out other commenters as state bots and so on. Influence, and people, look differently than they imagine. Manipulators come in multiple shapes and sizes, and also, commenters often voice their own opinion, without any direct association with any other entity.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by mercenario »

mike_hearn wrote: post #404
LaurensBER wrote: post #351

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Moderation on Reddit has been questionable for a long time and its killing the site. To give some examples: - /r/energy used to ban everyone in favour of nuclear energy - If you post on /r/conservative you can expect to receive a bunch of bans from unrelated (popular) subs. Doesn't matter what you posted, being associated with that subs "taints" your account enough for some moderators. - /r/UnitedKingdom banned me fo…

You missed maybe the biggest one, /r/bitcoin, which around 2015 started banning anyone who wanted Bitcoin to actually follow the original design and continue scaling up on-chain transactions. The moderator, some anonymous student (possibly named Michael Marquardt), literally declared anyone who wanted Bitcoin to be used for regular transactions offtopic and banned them on a massive scale. When explaining his actions…

First thing I did after opening this thread was ctrl+f r/bitcoin. I was already familiar with large scale social manipulation in politics, but would never imagine such a thing could happen in a bitcoin subreddit, that event was eye opening.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by truetraveller »

blackhaj7 wrote: post #680
jibal wrote: post #589

The discussion at https://larslofgren.com/codesmith-reddit-reputation-attack/ is not going well for Mr. Novati. Edit: oops, that was the wrong link! I meant to link to the reddit post discussing that article: https://www.reddit.com/r/codingbootcamp/comments/1o1guxj/tho... I think one of the most telling facts is that pro-Novati poster u/Ok-Donuts has posted numerous comments that are clearly a violation of all norms…

u/Ok-donuts is clearly his alt. Absolutely pathetic

Oh, I also defended Michael. Not a fan of character assassinations / witch hunts / exaggerated claims.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by truetraveller »

sixhobbits wrote: post #373

FWIW, there are similar top-of-google and top-of-reddit results for all bootcamps. Try googling 'lambda school', 'hyperiondev', 'coding temple', 'le wagon' along with 'reddit', 'review' 'legit' or anything similar (or often that's not even needed. In the end, these bootcamps charge people thousands of dollars to sell them the dream of getting a high paying job after 3 months of part time work, and that's just not rea…

Ok, so this is precisely why I was defending Michael. He rightfully so, is upset about this, and calls it out. What, honestly, is bad about that? Why do a character assassination?

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by IamOC »

michaelnovati wrote: post #28

I'm Michael and this was about me. This person never reached out for comment and is missing half the story. I'm happy to fill people in on the rest if this person or someone else wants to hear. I agree with one or two of the characterizations but the majority I don't and there is a lot more to this story than it seems... RE: INDUSTRY. Rithm School (their main competitor) shut down. Hack Reactor is down to single digi…

Hey Fuck You Michael, you are a piece of shit and no one should get to know you. Just got aware what shitty people exist in this field
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