Tariffs on workers. What could go wrong?
Trump to impose $100k fee for H-1B worker visas, White House says
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#952> India was the largest beneficiary of H-1B visas last year, accounting for 71% of approved beneficiaries Having worked with the recent generation of Indians, I can safely say this can be a good thing. Baseline morality and work ethics for many (not all, but many) in the recent generation of Indians are so low. It’s a generational shift that I can tell. Get rich quick, wannabe try too hard to fit in and have fun with…
Relations between the US and India have been strained recently because India refuses to implement sanctions on Russia for the war in Ukraine. I wonder if there is a geopolitical motive behind the timing of this decision.
> because India refuses to implement sanctions on Russia
That was a stated reason. The real reason was that Narendra Modi didn't want to nominate Trump for a Nobel peace prize for his participation in India/Pakistan conflict and even acknowledge Trumps involvement.
All while Trump keeps talking that he stopped a war and deserves the prize.
Re: Trump to impose $100k fee for H-1B worker visas, White House says
#953Yes, this is the way to go.
Downvote me all you want.
Pack up, anyway.
Re: Trump to impose $100k fee for H-1B worker visas, White House says
#954I ran into a guy making double six figures for like the last 7 years at a known public tech company. He was literally doing the most basic DevOps (Terraform). Nothing fancy. Zero ability to program. No willingness or desire to learn programming. He was an H1B. That blew me away. How is it possible that you have a guy in the US for 10 years who never bothered learning to code doing a 200K / year job. The abuse of H1B…
Double six figures is a hilarious phrase
Re: Trump to impose $100k fee for H-1B worker visas, White House says
#955I can't see this lasting. This could go two ways - either large organizations pay up in some other ways to this administration or this is used as a leverage to force India to come to the table. Also that India receives $36 billion in remittances from overseas Indian workers. The current ruling Party in India is going to feel some pressure from its citizens over that alone.
India is so happy about this change that the only thing they have publicly complained about is the potential for family disruption.
> $36 billion
One new big tech office in India will generate more than this, and all the tech companies are in a hiring spree in India to do this right now.
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#956Earlier quoted context omitted.
The top end of H1B has been great for America. In the last few decades, there has been growth of abuse of the program to get mid level talent at below market rates which really hurts the middle class in America. People need to understand that most reformists don't want to get rid of the truly exceptional immigration to the US. We need to limit the volume, especially the immigrants that are directly competing with a h…
> People need to understand that most reformists don't want to get rid of the truly exceptional immigration to the US. And how are “they” planning on determining who is “truly exceptional”? And what makes you think the “truly exceptional” ones are still going to have any interest in coming here when they see what happens to the people who the current regime deems “not exceptional”? I sure as hell wouldn’t come to the…
Given this administration? Truly exceptional are the ones who pay personal bribes.
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#957I think one important distinction that I haven’t seen mentioned here much is that there is a big difference between handing out h1bs to cognizant employees vs students who did masters programs in the US and are working as direct hires in faang companies. In the latter case, these workers have already invested tens if not hundreds of thousands into the US as well as many years before even making a dime. This cohort is…
And not to belabor this point, but he’s doing such one-dimensional math here by thinking of the immigration scenario as zero sum. Trump has clearly lost the plot. What he is failing to consider is that the US is in a long term ideological war with our biggest enemy China, and our best hand in this game is stealing their best and brightest to live in the west and have them to learn and love western values; which they…
If H1B numbers stay the same, but more are going to 300k/yr jobs instead of 60k/yr jobs, then that is a win for brain draining the rest of the world.
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#958Everyone in these threads always points out all sorts of issues with the H1B system, which are mostly true, but it's not like there's a suggestion for a replacement here. This is a de facto shutdown of the program, not a reform. I'd be happy to see a reformed skilled immigration program for the US, but this isn't it. The US makes up about 4.5% of the global population and it seems silly to think that the FAANG compan…
> The only effect this is going to have is accelerating the offshoring of jobs through more hiring in India, Europe and Canada, which is a net loss for the US. Offshoring can, and ought to be, heavily tariffed.
The tariffs are illegal and void. Even if it's implemented, how do you rise tariffs on intangible works? For the planned tariff, US consumers are the ones to bear the brunt of the costs.
Re: Trump to impose $100k fee for H-1B worker visas, White House says
#959Earlier quoted context omitted.
The top end of H1B has been great for America. In the last few decades, there has been growth of abuse of the program to get mid level talent at below market rates which really hurts the middle class in America. People need to understand that most reformists don't want to get rid of the truly exceptional immigration to the US. We need to limit the volume, especially the immigrants that are directly competing with a h…
Or you could stop tying H-1Bs to employers, meaning that there's less incentive to do the work to bring "mid level talent" in at below market rates, because those people would immediately find a job at market rates. There's a straightforward solution here. Right now H-1Bs are a way for companies to lock in employees by leveraging the visa status.
The problem with your solution (and similar solutions - e.g. implementing "salary auction" for H1B - i.e. it's not a lottery, but it's that the most paid get the visa) is:
It requires changing the law.
Which is very difficult, and requires a broad coalition in 2 houses of parliament.
On the other hand, executive orders are very easy.
I wish the better solutions get implemented, but until they are, we have to seek alternatives.
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#960I hear American's have to get in debt for over 100k for the same education thats almost free in so many places, so it might be a kind of balancing things..