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Streaming services are driving viewers back to piracy

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Post by keeda »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #894
keeda wrote: post #854

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> We already had this debate decades ago, and your side of the debate lost. It's not "theft" by any reasonable interpretation of the word. That's only true when you ignore many, many common usages of the word "theft". I would hazard a guess that your interpretations are along the dictionary lines of "depriving a person of their property." However, here are some commonly used forms of the word (supported by wikipedia…

The proper legal term is copyright infringement. Robbery and theft cover real property, not intellectual property. "Common usages" of a word are irrelevant. We can't discuss legal concepts without precise terminology. Only the correct words and their precise meanings matter. Equation of copyright infringement to theft and piracy is propaganda. People do this deliberately in order to draw on the negative connotations…

We're not discussing legal definitions. From the original post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44908809

> It's not "theft" by any reasonable interpretation of the word.

That is the standard under discussion.

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Post by IIsi50MHz »

justanotherjoe wrote: post #655
Akronymus wrote: post #211

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For me, I only seek out media I plan to actually watch. Rather than flipping through what is available and choosing from there. Currently it is stargate sg1/atlantis what I am watching. Also, a lot of movies/series are only available dubbed here. (I really effing hate "Sie" in dubbed media. So much so, that it's one of the major reasons I go for subbed in english, at most)

When i first used netflix at my friends house, I immediately used the search bar and looked for Jurassic Park... what kind of movie service doesn't have JP, i thought. It must be around 10 years ago, and I never used it once afterwards.

They've had Jurassic Park repeatedly over the years since then, and I've watched it a couple of those times.

But when Netflix was new to streaming they had so much more content; it was great. Then all the rights-holders decided they didn't want just a cut of Netflix's rates, they'd rather have all of it. Since then, the services have seemingly reluctantly agreed to license some of their stuff, some of the time, to other services, often with temporary exclusivity. If Netflix wanted it all back, they'd need a friendly blue genie and a monkey to defeat a multitudinous Jafars.

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Post by ninetyninenine »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #942
ninetyninenine wrote: post #929

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>By actually manufacturing and selling aircrafts to airlines? 747s are not infinitely copyable. Discussion has now shifted from ideas to tangible objects. The raw materials used to create a boeing 747 are not rare at all. They are easily accessible. The aggregate value of material cost of a 747 is significantly less than the actual value of the 747 itself meaning that much of the worth of the 747 is in the crystalliz…

> You just think that altruism could function just as well Not at all. I'm no proponent of altruism. I proposed crowdfunding as the alternative. As in, entire nations worth of people investing money to make something happen. Decentralized investors. Once intellectual work is done, the value of the intangible product trends towards zero. Selling things that have infinite supply makes no economic sense. Society needs t…

Crowd funding already exists. The biggest and most powerful corporations on the planet are all crowd funded. They have entire markets dedicated to crowd funding. NYSE, NASDAQ, etc.

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Post by ninetyninenine »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #943
ninetyninenine wrote: post #911

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>I didn't refuse to participate in society. I refused to participate in activities I personally believe are wrong. I don't really plan to take advantage of monopolies if I can avoid it. Whatever privileges I have that allow me to make this choice, I hope I can maintain them indefinitely. If you refuse to participate in activities that you personally believe are wrong then based off of what you told me, you in actuali…

I don't think my lack of sponsorships are at all attributable to my personal views on intellectual property. I think it's far more likely it's because I'm unknown, because my projects are unfinished, because my projects are bad or any number of other possible reasons.

Your lack of sponsorship is the result of your own choices of doing work and expecting altruism to pay you for the fruits of your labor. The blow back is the wasted effort of not getting paid because of the reasons you stated.

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Post by gverrilla »

I tried to watch a Marx Brothers movie a while ago, and I deeply regretted having abandoned my "pirate" library a decade ago. Opening Spotify, half of the tracks on my playlists are blurred out and unavailable. I'm not paying for a single streaming service, and for the ad's I get I'll boycott the advertiser. When I can make some time I will rebuild my own free library again.

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Post by oakhaven »

gethly wrote: post #609

Sadly, a lot of good torrent websites have gone down in past years. Especially after the coof, the internet has not recovered from it and torrents were one of those things. Sure, there are still options, but it's slim pickings compared to pre-2020 era.

When I needed to download a free linux distro iso image, I realized I can use inbuilt search in bittorrent clients like qbittorent. No need for web trackers. There were even very recent releases.

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Post by perdomon »

chongli wrote: post #180
ryandrake wrote: post #153

Piracy offers: 1. Unrestricted access to an absolutely huge library of movies, music and TV shows, nearly unlimited. Certainly not limited by opaque "licensing deals" between various companies. 2. Highest resolution/bitrate/quality that was available at the time of the work's original release. 3. No arbitrary device/OS limitations. 4. Can watch/listen/download from any location on earth with sufficient bandwidth. I d…

2. Highest resolution/bitrate/quality that was available at the time of the work's original release. Arguably higher. For example, fans of Star Wars have scanned the original 1977 theatrical release with very high quality film scanners and created a 4K release complete with film grain and the original scenes intact which is not available through approved channels.

This is crazy. Going to surprise my wife with a watch night of these soon. Are these film scans pretty easy to find?

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Post by xyproto »

probotect0r wrote: post #417
xyproto wrote: post #175

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It's not comparable, because copying a bread with a bread copying machine should be completely fine.

I don't think analogy is comparable either though. With a bread copying machine, the baker of the original piece is not involved in creating the new piece of bread (other than the recipe), so it is more acceptable (though maybe not completely, if you consider that the recipe is also being copied) that the baker is not compensated for the new piece of bread produced by the copying machine. With digital media, the crea…

If I am telling you a secret word, expecting you to pay to hear it, and you are telling it to someone else, it may be lying, it may be bad manners, but it's not stealing.

Digital content is information.

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