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Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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There was a NYT article a couple weeks ago about Chinese morality police doing mass arrests of erotica authors, https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/28/world/asia/china-boys-lov... ( "Chinese Police Detain Dozens of Writers Over Gay Erotic Online Novels" ) [note article contains large images of erotica novel covers] But you'd *expect* that of the PRC; the US, wow, has it ever fallen fast and fallen hard.

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Who is responsible for preventing a child from running into a busy road and being hit by a car? And why, on the internet, does that responsibility seem to fall on everyone else?

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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> Are you arguing that we should not regulate porn, alcohol, and cigarettes? Most of the important regulations around these things have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Requiring bourbon not to contain methanol and adult performers to be tested for STDs aren't related to the internet. And once we're talking about the internet, those things are in a different category because alcohol and cigarettes are physical o…

You’re missing the point entirely. I’m talking about age requirements to purchase alcohol and cigarettes and view porn. There is not a world where we decide to restrict purchase by age in meatspace but throw up our hands and say “whelp we just can’t have digital ID presentation that would ruin society I guess we should give up on digital age verification and just let kids do whatever”. Whether the restrictions are ju…

> There is not a world where we decide to restrict purchase by age in meatspace but throw up our hands and say “whelp we just can’t have digital ID presentation that would ruin society I guess we should give up on digital age verification and just let kids do whatever”.

Yes there is and we all grew up in that world.

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

#953

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It is legal in all 50 rates for teenage girls to get breast augmentation surgery in order to better match gender expectations, but god forbid they want to remove them.

They shouldn't be getting that either.

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

#954

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This goes against the very ethos of the early web. We should not be normalizing any form of this extreme moral overreach.

I would call this a "legal overreach". Laws have nothing to do with morals or morality.

Of course they do. Laws are how we codify the subset of morals we can all (well most of us) agree on.

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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> There is no longer a political home for Reagan/Bush-style conservatives. There is, they just don’t like it for aesthetic and/or historical reasons. The faction that currently runs the Democratic party is the centrist, deficit-reducing, foreign-intervention-when-necessary party of Reagan/Bush. If the centrists and moderate conservatives could make common cause, they would easily shut out both the far left and far ri…

>The faction that currently runs the Democratic party is the centrist, deficit-reducing, foreign-intervention-when-necessary party of Reagan/Bush. How are you defining "deficit-reducing"? >Over the four years of President Biden’s term – from January 2021 through January 2025 – we estimate that he approved $4.7 trillion in new ten-year debt through legislation and executive actions. https://www.crfb.org/blogs/how-much…

> How are you defining "deficit-reducing"?

There are two ways to lower the deficit: increase revenue or lower spending.

As you say, neither party does particularly well at lowering spending.

The moderate Republican approach to raising revenue is typically but not always through regressive taxes. The general theory since Reagan (and before) has been taxing the upper brackets hurts economic growth. The ideal of this is a flat tax or “fair tax.”

The centrist Democrat approach to raising revenue is typically but not always through progressive taxes. The general theory is that wealth inequality is overall bad, and since purchasing power is more or less logarithmic in dollars, the upper brackets suffer relatively less from higher tax rates. The ideal of this is the post-war 90% top bracket.

Of the two, I think only the second offers any real hope of deficit reduction. The middle and lower classes are already tapped out, metaphorically speaking. Household debt is already frighteningly high and the savings rate very low despite relatively high interest rates. If the goal really is to reduce the deficit through increasing revenue, I think it’s likely that revenue must come from the upper classes in one way or another.

Of course this is all written in very broad strokes and there are a hundred nitpicks one could make on this general point of view, but this is a forum comment and not a dissertation on political economics.

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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Others have said this, I'm sure, but this will move past porn _quickly_. Once there is agreed-up age verification for pornography, much of the professional internet will require identity verification to do _anything_. This is one of the bigger nails in the coffin for the free internet, and this true whether or not you're happy with all the pornography out there.

And honestly, with the advent of AI spam everywhere, I'd be quite happy to visit a version of the internet where everyone is a certified real person

That's why "AI" founders do stuff like Altman's Worldcoin. First they reap $$$ while creating a problem then more $$$ when "solving" it.

Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

#957

All these ID check laws are out of hand. Parents are expecting the government, and random websites, to raise their kids. Why would anyone trust some random blog with their ID? If these laws move forward (and I don’t think they should), there needs to be a way to authenticate as over 18 without sending picture of your ID off to random 3rd parties, or giving actual personal details. I don’t want to give this data, and…

But I bet that signal would still be a unique identifier. It doesn't have to be, but it will be because that is the point. Not to see who is old enough, but to track every page visit and interaction of everybody all the time.

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post #832

Others have said this, I'm sure, but this will move past porn _quickly_. Once there is agreed-up age verification for pornography, much of the professional internet will require identity verification to do _anything_. This is one of the bigger nails in the coffin for the free internet, and this true whether or not you're happy with all the pornography out there.

This is why they are doing it. Goverments wants ID-check before anyone uses the internet. So they pick a topic like pornography to get their foot through the door. It's salami tactics.

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Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

#959

Same as it ever was. The government has been congenitally unable to strike a rational balance between free speech vs indecency statutes. "I know it when I see it" has been a meme since 1964 when it was written by the Supreme Court. In handing control of that balance over to the states, the federal government is just giving up. But it won't work. The issue still needs to be resolved. We're going to see many, many, man…

That is because the false balance is complete bullshit. Free speech means free speech. Obscenity is just special pleading "but it is icky!". The same thing has been happening for centuries. They came across a good idea as a foundational principle and the dumb fuckers wearing dresses we call judges refuse to see it. They then prove that they are all lawyers by constructing elaborate rationalizations. They also did the…

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Re: Supreme Court's ruling practically wipes out free speech for sex writing online

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4chan was started because posters in the Something Awful anime subforum could not stop posting underage child porn which was obviously against the rules. To stop these disgusting freaks from polluting the SA forums with their child pornography and degeneracy, Richard ‘Lowtax’ Kyanka closed the anime subforum (ATDRW aka Anime Tentacle Death Rape Whorehouse) and moot started 4chan. So yeah, 4chans early legacy is ‘a bu…

this is excellent bait

Thanks, I thought I deleted the last sentence but forgot to, oops ;)

The general facts are true, my opinion of anime fans is my own

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