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IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites
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Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites
#952Some context first so my opinion isn't misconstrued as as leftist stereotype. This is within context of the behavior described in the article. - I'm a Jew in USA, and served in the military for more than a decade. - I used to get annoyed by the Palestinian protests I'd see in the years before this, and generally sided with Israel, and the operations its military performed in counter-Shia-militia operations etc in the…
I'll provide context too - I'm a Jewish Israeli. I'd probably be considered left (or even far-left) by Israeli standards, but I'm in the "pro-Israeli" camp as conventionally understood online. This Haaretz article is very troubling. To the extent it's accurate, there's not much question that it reflects war crimes. A few thoughts: 1. The article itself says there is an ongoing investigation into some of these accusat…
We’ve done an exhaustive internal investigation and are glad to have swiftly concluded that there was no wrongdoing by ourselves in this matter.
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#953Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Give them full citizenship rights equal to Israel's citizens, make sure they have a proper minority representation As the Palestinians are the majority, the Jewish Israelis would become a minority in terms of citizens and votes. This is very much akin to Apartheid South Africa, where a minority ethnic group rules over the rest of the population.
The White minority in South Africa were around 15% of the population, while Jews and Palestinians in Israel & Palestine seem to be much more around a 50%-50% split.
Yes, and I should have clarified that the Palestinian majority is a lot slimmer than was the case in South Africa.
Although there remains the case of 700,000 Palestinian refugees who (in the hypothetical scenario of a unified state) would tilt the balance further if allowed to return to their/their parents homes or given property as compensation for repossessed homes.
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#954Earlier quoted context omitted.
IDF HQ is next to a mall, so Israel is doing the same as Hamas?
And where is the Pentagon? Attacking the Qirya, Israel's HQ, with some sort of accuracy is a legitimate military target. It's a pretty large target. Soldiers wear uniform. There are no civilians mixed into that camp. This is very different than lobbing rockets at Beer-Sheba, Ashdod, Ashkelon, Ramat Gan. The casualties from Iran's attacks, minus one off-duty soldier, were all civilians and the targets were nowhere nea…
Frankly, you need to understand some things - people, especially on this site are beyond conversations - they are guided by their beliefs. Those beliefs are not going to change - they will die with them. Humans are very violent in their minds. And pretty much the intensity of that insanity is the only signal that is a warning for imminent global conflict, that has been postponed for some time.
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They absolutely should face something similar to the Nuremberg trials. This is planned extermination of a group of people. Unfortunately the Israeli lobby has so much money and power they would silence anyone who says that publicly by accusing them of being antisemitic.
Arguably then, shouldn’t China be ahead of them in line for Uighur camps, and the US for the Japanese camps?
I'm sorry, how many people died in those? How many government officials explicitly referred to them as a tool for the elimination of a population?
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> I’m becoming very skeptical of the “bad government, good people” idea. Governments need popular support. This goes even for horrible dictatorships You're either being disingenuous or have never experienced real dictatorship. I lived under theocracy in IRAN for more than half my life and I promise you that the Westerns screaming from the back "just revolt!" have no clue what they are talking about. These regimes con…
This is silly. You don't revolt by protesting on the streets. You revolt by assassinating the head (I mean in the scenarios like you describe). There are very few people who would want to try tyrannical control over a population if an attempt would come with a downside of having an average lifespan of 2 years. In most cases the only thing standing between you and the target is inconvenience of obtaining a descent fir…
I can't think of any repressive dictatorship that ended this way. I can think of quite a few that ended by street protests.
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#957Earlier quoted context omitted.
Considering ~50% of the Knesset is in opposition, I don't think it's proof that a politically large fraction of Israeli society is religiously fundamentalist. It's non-negligible, but the reasons ultra-right parties like Otzma Yehudit [0] have a voice in politics has more to do with election calculus by Netanyahu. The ideal 2+ party parliamentary system seems to be >2 but Below that, you get bad outcomes (US). Above…
> Considering ~50% of the Knesset is in opposition You mean < 50% (strictly less than 50%) right? Otherwise the opposition would form a government
44.2%
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Where I hope this comes back, after the conflict and a new Israel government, is human culpability for automated systems. AI being whitewashing for IP is disruptive and troubling. It being whitewashing for war crimes is a much more serious problem. If Israel/IDF put in place a automated system that gave effectively caused war crimes to be committed, some humans in positions of power need to be held responsible and fa…
> is human culpability for automated systems. Human culpability for crimes committed by large human systems isn't ever going to happen. I wouldn't hold my breath for the automated ones.
As with most international law, the two most likely originations are either (a) mutual self-interest (e.g. chemical weapons) or (b) horrendous and inhumane abuse.
I expect with the first first-world drone war on a third-world country, there might be pressure at the UN to put something in place. At least for the automating genocide case.
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Sorry, but the killing of unarmed civilians seeking aid has been reported half a dozen times by many different outlets. The IDF denials are getting quite absurd. The only one suffering from disinformation is you.
I haven’t made a point either way. Please don’t quote me on things I haven’t said. That is morally and intellectually dishonest.
There is a point at which pleas to wait for "better" evidence can be construed as denials.
"There is ample evidence and this is not a new accusation, so your request to wait and see rings hollow and appears to be a de facto request to not pass judgement on Israeli crimes" is neither morally nor intellectually dishonest.
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I think this should be a moment of reflection that the world is waking up to the atrocities of Israel, and not a time to complain about censorship.
Thank you for your reflections. When the time comes and palestinians will stop massacaring us I will remember to take it into account.
Pretty sure it’s the Israeli’s massacring Palestinians. Just in case you didn’t know. ;)