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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by goatlover » Wed, Jun 11, 2025, 4:17 PM UTC

speakfreely wrote: post #173

ekidd wrote: post #78

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> This is probably an unpopular opinion but I would like politicians on the left to speak up about the rioting and burning of stuff at the current protests and also the Tesla and George Floyd protests. I mean, Gavin Newsom just did a long interview from a "crisis center" where he did exactly that, today. And plenty of Democratic politicians also speak against violent protests whenever they occur. But unless you actua…

The Democratic politicians have painted themselves into a corner by trying to maintain far left support. Compare the messaging: Trump: We must have law and order. Immigration laws must be enforced. We will not tolerate riots or destruction. Protesters: The government shouldn't detain people who are in the country illegally. We should ignore federal laws we don't agree with. If we disagree with federal agents who are…

The far left are anarchists and communists. They consider the Democratic party part of the capitalist system that needs to be replaced. Democrats are the neoliberal party. Democrats are not trying to get their support. Right-wing media has painted Democrats and progressives as radical far leftists, but it's simply not true. Most of their policies can be seen implemented in Europe.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by goatlover » Wed, Jun 11, 2025, 4:21 PM UTC

HamsterDan wrote: post #711

FireBeyond wrote: post #151

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The best quote I heard about the BLM / Floyd protests: "Too many people are saying, "It's terrible that innocent black men died, but this property destruction has to stop!" when they should be saying, "It's terrible that there is property destruction, but the death of innocent black men has to stop!"."

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Why was kneeling on his neck for nine and a half minutes necessary? There were four officers there. We all watched the video. I'm not aware that your other claims have been proven true.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by sh34r » Wed, Jun 11, 2025, 4:32 PM UTC

DoodahMan wrote: post #264

sh34r wrote: post #11

I wonder how many civilians will be disappeared before a Dem governor finds their balls and musters the state militia. There’s millions of patriots out there just waiting for the call to action. This nonviolent shit will get you killed. MLK was a gun owner. If that kind of talk worries you, consider how much uglier it will be when the good people of LA form unregulated militias instead. Do you really want to see Ruby…

The idea of unregulated blue state militias has me chuckling a bit, given how said states have largely neutered their citizen's ability to own capable rifles. We are to depend on our trusted local law enforcement to protect us, as well as our valiant governors who will assuredly call up local guards to do the same. Examples of brave, novel Democratic resistance to Trump abound these days. There's no need to worry!

It’s a nice lie the right tells themselves, that there isn’t one long gun for every military-age liberal already in friendly partisan hands. This country is so flooded with guns, that it spills over to Mexico, a country where guns are almost completely banned. Our sloppy seconds enable the cartels to fight on even footing with the Mexican Army.

Most of our GWOT veterans tend to despise the Republican Party for what should be obvious reasons. Chicago famously has no guns too, am I right? The cognitive dissonance is honestly astounding.

Honestly though, guns really only go so far. They’re useful for making yourself more trouble to fuck with than you’re worth to cowardly paramilitary thugs. They’d rather go abduct first graders and unarmed adults in the final stages of becoming US citizens, than risk suddenly finding out they’re in the middle of Ruby Ridge 2. Guns are more of a self defense tool. Ukraine and Iran have proven in recent years that drones are far more useful to an insurgency than guns. That constant hum, like a swarm of bees, constantly threatening a slow and painful death, destroys the enemy’s will to live, never mind fight. You see videos of Russian orcs just sitting there, almost catatonic, as the drone finally puts them out of their misery.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jun 11, 2025, 4:43 PM UTC

i80and wrote: post #286

JKCalhoun wrote: post #135

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And the optics of Kent State worked so well for the administration. Kind of like shooting reporters with rubber bullets.

The majority of non-city dwellers I know are now so propagandized against cities that I think they would be neutral to outright supportive of a kill order. This is a dire situation and I'm not sure how this country crawls back out of this authoritarian slide, but we've got to somehow.

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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by cmurf » Wed, Jun 11, 2025, 4:46 PM UTC

Larrikin wrote: post #224

If illegal immigration is such a problem, why not fine businesses 5x salary for using the labor, for as long as it was used? There are a lot of systems in place to verify working status at this point. It eliminates any incentive to hire this cheaper labor willing to work for lower wages. The people coming will be coming for a variety of reasons but it won't be to take the jobs of the uneducated Americans

Neo-feudalism. Lords are punished for embarrassing the sovereign.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by HauntedDrum » Wed, Jun 11, 2025, 4:59 PM UTC

falcor84 wrote: post #940

jxjnskkzxxhx wrote: post #631

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It means that if you use the military to police, the military looks at people and sees enemies.

But it's still reversed - it's as if you said "the successful tend to become those who persevere". Are you perhaps translating the grammar from another language?

This is a popular quote from Battlestar Galactica:

Commander William Adama: Yeah, but I'm not going to be your policeman. There's a reason why you separate military and the police. One fights the enemy of the state. The other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by s1artibartfast » Wed, Jun 11, 2025, 5:12 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #875

matt-attack wrote: post #604

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Or maybe they just got tired of millions of immigrants flaunting the law and overburdening the system? We had unprecedented levels of illegal immigration over the last four years. Do you think it went unnoticed and didn’t adversely affect anyone? Why jump to these conspiracy notions about division and blatantly ignore the simplest and most obvious explanation.

> millions of immigrants flaunting the law and overburdening the system? Except these raids aren’t targeting that population. They’re going after the ones paying taxes. To the extent we have folks overburdening the system, it’s largely our native born (and refugees).

Are they? Do we have any statistical information on who is being apprehended and their characteristics?

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by bufferoverflow » Wed, Jun 11, 2025, 5:24 PM UTC

righthand wrote: post #788

bufferoverflow wrote: post #472

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You should talk to the anti-protest side then because they will discourage any protest. Usually they criticize the size of the protest as a few people. They then will tell you that their cause is dumb because only a few people were there. Or they blocked traffic for a few hours, so their cause is dumb. There are plenty of people that care if people protest. There are people that hate the right to assembly so much the…

I have zero problem with protests. You can protest literally anything, that you don't like Trump's haircut, or that Santa didn't bring you good presents last winter.

As soon as your protest interferes with other people, like blocking a road, it's no longer a protest, it's a riot.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by const_cast » Wed, Jun 11, 2025, 5:55 PM UTC

marcusverus wrote: post #945

csours wrote: post #229

Ahead of time, and from the inside, it looks and sounds like 'restoring proper order'. Afterwards, and from the outside, it looks and sounds like ... well read some history about attempts to 'restore proper order'. The outcome and progression is entirely and sadly predictable. It's been about 80 years since WWII. Are we doomed to repeat this on an 80 year cycle, when the last generation who went through this passes f…

Enforcing immigration laws is a repetition of WWII?

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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by FireBeyond » Wed, Jun 11, 2025, 6:52 PM UTC

ben_w wrote: post #501

ta1243 wrote: post #384

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Trump is hardly a bastion of health, you think he'll still be around when he's 82?

A better question is, does he think he'll still be around? I mean, this is a guy who put out a press release about his own health where everyone could tell he was lying because it included his own height and they just found pictures of him standing next to other people who were supposed to be the same height or shorter.

Well, let's not forget writing his own "medical assessment" for his doctor to sign off. With gems like "I can confidently state that Donald Trump will be the most healthy and strong man to ever take the Presidency"... not to mention "positive findings on every test" (uhhh, a positive finding on any medical test is an abnormality, Donnie).