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Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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Post by bloppe »

markus_zhang wrote: post #375
bloppe wrote: post #364

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The opinions of "elites" simply don't matter. There's only one guy who matters when it comes to policy now. And he's not known for his thinking abilities

If the elites don't disagree with him I'd say they probably "in average" agree with him. Trump is just one man.

Depends what you mean by "elite". Obviously a ton of people disagree with him. I'm just saying, that doesn't matter. There's not a single Republican in government that's willing to publicly contradict Trump on anything.

Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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Post by dharmab »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #756
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I've FDM printed models for friends, and the quality isn't there. It's not good enough to spend the time carefully painting it. It's fine as a token for the game, but people enjoy the painting etc too. A resin printer isn't safe for use in an apartment, otherwise that would probably be more common.

I just Googled for "resin printer at home". There are loads of Reddit discussions and YouTube videos about it. Yes, precautions and a careful setup are required, but "isn't safe" does not look true anymore.

A lot of those people on Reddit and YouTube are doing dangerous things like handling liquid resin without gloves or eye protection, or not ventilating/filtering resin fumes that cause cancer. There are horror stories of people who splashed a bit of resin in their eye and went blind.

It's no more dangerous than a craft like woodworking or spray painting when you follow very basic safety protocols, but the safety culture is near nonexistent in the community.

Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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Post by beeflet »

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The dollar will be weakened in the future. Is there any doubt about it? We cannot continue operating in this post-war regime when the conditions for the post-war regime have been dismantled. I have rarely ever aligned with this president, but it is clear that we need to bring manufacturing home if we are going to have any future.

It's almost like the Biden CHIPS act was designed to do that in a non-stupid way.

I mean I approved of the CHIPS act at the time, but did it result in anything? It was also limited to the semiconductor industry.

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Post by 9rx »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #899
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The UK ain't alone in that either. California's agricultural sector is one of the largest in the world (let alone in the US) in terms of revenue and output, in many cases providing most/all of national and even global supplies of various fruits, vegetables, and nuts. Virtually all American almonds and broccoli, 90% or more of American dates and avocados, top producer of peaches and dairy products, the list goes on. A…

This is so key to understand because it illuminates how not every job is equal in raw value. You cannot have a drying rack manufacturer in the US that pays a bunch of workers $35/hr. There simply is not enough value in drying racks to achieve this. This is what is lost on the populist crowd. They compare themselves to high value workers (i.e. workers that produce a lot of raw economic value per hour), and then want t…

Value isn't static, of course. Take the food that was brought up earlier. Food saw a real increase in value by around 30% from 2019 to 2024. A couple of destructive weather events, fertilizer scarcity, and war in the Ukrainian breadbasket shook people enough to think that maybe they shouldn't take food quite so for granted.

Drying racks aren't considered terribly valuable today, but if you lock up manufacturing to a single country and impose a number of other restrictions, sentiment can change quickly. The latest episode of Ted Lasso might not seem so important anymore.

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Post by wkat4242 »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #756
Symbiote wrote: post #725

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I've FDM printed models for friends, and the quality isn't there. It's not good enough to spend the time carefully painting it. It's fine as a token for the game, but people enjoy the painting etc too. A resin printer isn't safe for use in an apartment, otherwise that would probably be more common.

I just Googled for "resin printer at home". There are loads of Reddit discussions and YouTube videos about it. Yes, precautions and a careful setup are required, but "isn't safe" does not look true anymore.

Hmm it depends on your sensitivity also. I know some people at our makerspace who have serious allergies to the stuff, even a minor trace and their skin gets all red.

Not everyone is as careful with the stuff so that doesn't really help.

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Post by butlike »

wkat4242 wrote: post #667
smadge wrote: post #393

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The joke is that Warhammer sets are expensive.

I'm kinda surprised people aren't just buying a 3D printer. I print stuff all the time. I'm not into this kind of game but if I were I wouldn't pay that much for a piece of plastic I can print at home for 3 bucks.

My friend did this with a pretty large amount of success. You can find prefabs online and even designs for mini warhammer models to save space/mats.

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Post by gond »

test6554 wrote: post #911
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> Fishing is less profitable for the whole UK than Warhammer. This sounded completely insane to me. I tried to look up numbers and found that Games Workshop brings in > 0.5 billion in revenue (!!), compared to all of UKs fisheries at 1 billion-ish (profit margins are, as you'd expect, pretty favorable for the plastic figurines that they don' even paint for you). Thanks for this interesting fact.

A game that is not on a computer... So they don't even calculate damage or move distance for you. And you have to buy each figurine and paint it yourself... And people are spending all their money on this? That's why we're not mining asteroids right now? I feel like people could just use AR glasses for this and spend nothing but their time.

You approaching this the wrong way. What you are listing as disadvantages is, for the most part, the USP.

For example, if you are in the target group, you buy it exactly because it does not uses AR glasses; If you are proficient, you are sleepwalking the damage/distance/all other calculations within seconds in your head, you don’t even have to take a single look at any rule book. The biggest selling point, however is: there are others sitting in front of you, it can be very competitive, you can see the reaction, like in chess.

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Post by beeflet »

watwut wrote: post #830
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Because of tarrifs, demand for local manufacturing increases and manufacturing wages will be greater than they are currently abroad due to newly constrained supply. Okay, then we'll have unions then. I don't see what the issue is here. I have heard this reasoning several times, even in person, it seems to misunderstand the action of protectionism in the first place. You can't have an industrial economy if workers don…

> Okay, then we'll have unions then. I don't see what the issue is here. America wont have unions nor consumer protections. For that matter, it wont investigate crypto scams either and will accept industrial pollutions to save factory owners money. Meaning, workforce will be less healthy due to impact on air they themselves are breathing. There is no planned change to create protections for low level employees, but t…

>America wont have unions nor consumer protections.

Why not? I would vote for it.

IDK how consumer protections fits into this, but avoiding crypto scams is pretty easy, just don't invest in crypto if you don't know what you're doing. It's only on the utility/monopoly scale that the government needs to be involved in consumer protections. Net Neutrality is a great example of the dems having the right idea.

I think democrats would have a decent chance of winning elections if they abandoned idpol stuff.

>There is no planned change to create protections for low level employees, but there are many changes allowing owners to do whatever. Once competition ranks up, they will be forced to pollute and mistreat workers or go out of business.

Okay, then we'll change regulation to better suit this. The purpose of protectionism is to reduce this competition.

>OK, you want to sacrifice health of some for "spiritual benefit" of others. But those jobs will be as fake as healthier jobs those people have now.

I don't think so. The end purpose of industrial jobs is to produce something real. The purpose of most jobs today is to do literally nothing while acting as a wealth distribution mechanism: our country basically makes money by selling our currency to be used by other nations as the global reserve currency.

David Graeber has a good book about this called "Bullshit Jobs" if you are interested in this theory.

Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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Post by 9rx »

Suppafly wrote: post #939
JSR_FDED wrote: post #4

It’s like people excited about the new datacenter being built in their town, think of all the jobs that will bring they cry. Nobody realizes it takes 6 people to run a datacenter. Bringing “manufacturing back to the US” is a fool’s errand. The future of manufacturing is automation, not jobs.

I'm not even sure why most people want to bring manufacturing back to the US. If this was a video game with a tech tree, becoming a mostly service and consumer economy would be the final winning position. Bombing our economy to go backwards to being a manufacturing economy is only attractive if you want to turn the middle class back into serfs.

> I'm not even sure why most people want to bring manufacturing back to the US.

I am not sure why they think it left. The US manufactures far more today than it ever did in the past. The people were largely relieved by robots, granted.

> becoming a mostly service and consumer economy would be the final winning position.

Service isn't always fun. A lot of people don't like selling Big Macs. They are under the impression that if they could have a manufacturing job, they would enjoy work more. That is what drives it.

What they don't realize is that they could already have a manufacturing job. Manufacturers struggle to hire. But the problem there is that, per BLS, 70% of manufacturing happens in rural areas – whereas most people never look for work outside of the city they live in. Thus they conclude that manufacturing doesn't exist. Out of sight, out of mind.

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Post by williamDafoe »

subsubzero wrote: post #577
rayiner wrote: post #42

Americans need to get over their view of “Asia” as being about making shoes. When I was working in engineering in the early aughts, we mocked the Chinese as being able only to copy American technology. Today, China is competitive with or ahead of America in key technology areas, including nuclear power, AI, EVs, and batteries. We need to anticipate a future where China is equal to America on a per capita basis, but f…

I see what you are getting at but I have to disagree with alot of what you are saying. > the US will find itself in the same position the UK is in now The US and UK are totally different animals at the height of their "empire". The UK currently has little land and alot of it is devoid of minerals(sans coal). They achieved most of their might subjecting other countries and extracting resources from their colonies. Onc…

USA has three advantages that no place else in the world has. First we have the biggest oil deposit in the history of mankind with the Permian basin. Second we have more inland waterways in the Mississippi River system than the whole rest of the world combined and third this abuts the best farmland on the planet.

I would say that the USA also has an advantage of open immigration for intellectuals to keep our universities strong but the anti-intellectual Trump administration is destroying this advantage as fast as it can!

The greatest advantage that we ever had was to lead the free world in ideals. A friend of mine was telling me yesterday that every child in India when they reach the age of six wants to go to Harvard and settle in the USA. They want to stand up for freedom and for democracy and for putting down all the evil dictators in the world. We are losing this image very very quickly it could be gone in a matter of months!

Don't brag about our aircraft carriers it would take us 25 years to build 11 more. We are nowhere in ship building we destroyed our domestic shipbuilding in the 1980s when we reoriented it for military shipbuilding and then the Berlin Wall fell down and we drastically cut the military shipbuilding budget and that caused our shipbuilding to go to almost zero overnight (3 heavy ships per year nationwide whereas China's largest ship builder does THIRTY!).

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