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How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by harry8 »

TOMDM wrote: post #939
harry8 wrote: post #932

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The government successfully threatens a private company to make then censor. Is that ok? Not for them.

But that's not what happened in the Twitter files. Requests were made, no threats. Some were complied with when Twitter agreed, some were denied. There were no consequences for the refusals. Please, cite a specific threat. A lawsuit, a link, a source, a quote, anything. And if you link the Twitter files themselves, let's make sure we actually run their sources to ground, because what they present them as and what the…

One example of plenty.

https://twitterfiles.substack.com/p/how-twitter-let-the-inte...

From no. 20 but you should really read all of it. The cynic in me expects the goalposts to move and more smear.

20. “Were Twitter a contractor for the FSB… they could not have built a more effective disinformation platform,” Johns Hopkins Professor (and Intel Committee “expert”) Thomas Rid told Politico.

"Were Twitter a contractor for the FSB," the Russian intelligence agency involved in the 2016 campaign to meddle in the US election Rid Said, "They could not have built a more effective disinformation platform."

21. As congress threatened costly legislation, and Twitter began was subject to more bad press fueled by the committees, the company changed its tune about the smallness of its Russia problem.

Republican partisan's probably see it as treason. Democrats partisans pretend it's a "nothingburger." Everyone else who notices is getting despondent which is probably just as bad.

FIRE, Greenwald, Taibbi have stood and continue to stand on principle not partisan and will get relentlessly smeared with insane lies because of it.

edit: sidenote. For me the google search "twitter files taibbi" without quotes returned Tabbi's publication racket on page 4. From there I could get the twitter files separate publication. That seems like a very bad search fail. I wonder why it is like that.

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Post by kouru225 »

pmarreck wrote: post #195
smallmancontrov wrote: post #187

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The "nothing ever changes" heuristic fails catastrophically on occasion. It's better to be prepared.

Yes. I'm well-aware of the analogy of the slowly boiled frog, etc. But it's also the slippery-slope fallacy, so... Why are we assuming facts here before we know of them? She is a Turkish national on a student visa. Those folks do NOT (like it or not) have the same rights as citizens. You cannot, for example, support (not saying she's done this, just saying this is the law) an organization designated as an FTO, as a "…

> Why are we assuming facts here before we know of them

Because we should’ve been given the facts already. That’s the law. The fact that we haven’t been given the facts indicates that the people responsible are not reliable and deserve all scrutiny.

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Post by darthwalsh »

chongli wrote: post #198
smw wrote: post #182

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SCOTUS didn't allow Colorado to remove him from the ballot this time, what makes you think they won't do the same next time?

This time they have the 22nd amendment on their side. The law is crystal clear. He would need SCOTUS to ignore the constitution in his favour. Many people think that the conservative majority on the court would automatically side with him and rubber-stamp his candidacy. I highly doubt that. He has already been publicly repudiated by Roberts (chief justice nominated by GW Bush) for his attacks on federal courts [1]. I…

It's a good thing none of the political parties have recently been floating detailed plans to pack the supreme Court with extra justices.

If they added 10 young MAGA judges to the supreme Court this year, that would be the biggest legacy of the administration. All the XO can just be undone on day one, assuming we have another pro-democracy president.

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Post by acidmath »

protocolture wrote: post #902
acidmath wrote: post #900

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Spam can be whatever who so happens to be the site moderator, or maybe some very tiny yet obnoxiously vocal minority, wants it to be. Beyond that practical matter, the least bad definition I have for spam (and this is just off the top of my head right now) is: advertising that is unsolicited and disseminated in a bad faith style. Any of us who are being honest with ourselves, maybe with exception to the acutely socia…

So free speech absolutism shouldnt extend to bad faith? Well that brings us right back to the moderation free speech absolutists are angry about.

I suggest to review the comment you replied to.

Free speech absolutism shouldn't extend to: advertising that is unsolicited and disseminated in a bad faith style.

Sorry about the state of your reading comprehension (or lack of it). Unfortunate.

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Post by soraminazuki »

mrtesthah wrote: post #816
soraminazuki wrote: post #472

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Yeah, not prosecuting serious violations of law like war crimes, tortue, and mass surveillance was a serious mistake that lead to this situation. It reinforced a culture of impunity for those in power. Because people allowed this to happen, the current administration is now more emboldened than its recent predecessors ever have been.

Even if the Obama administration had prosecuted GWB, the recent Supreme Court ruling on Trump's presidential immunity would have superseded all that. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/read-the-full-supreme-...

My point is that even getting to that ruling would've been much harder if there was actual respect for the law and more importantly, the democratic values behind those laws. And by respect, I mean the general population actually enforcing it by holding those in power accountable.

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Post by acidmath »

protocolture wrote: post #950
cycomanic wrote: post #946

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I'm not asking what spam is, I'm well aware. We are in a discussion about free speech absolutism. Somebody who says they are a free speech absolutist who supports spam filtering, needs to either justify why spam is not speech (which is my question, why would it not be speech), or acknowledge that they agree there are limits to free speech. Or is your argument that if it is commerce it's not free speech? That would al…

No I am taking the view that spam is speech, and should be included in an absolutists agenda.

That's quite the take. My hat goes off to you, ya crazy bastard. <3

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Post by YZF »

beej71 wrote: post #775
YZF wrote: post #548

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I am trying to make a point. Apparently very poorly. Either way, these Tesla protests are just idiotic. The vandalism is criminal. If this is the way Americans save their democracy and the rest of us rely on them then we're all doomed.

I agree with you on vandalism, but how are the protests idiotic? And what's your suggestion for Americans saving their democracy?

Tesla is a large US company. Elon owns (less than?) 20% of it personally. They make cars in the US. I'll make Elon hurt by hurting Tesla is childish and counter-productive. Elon's not gonna care. So instead of protesting Tesla protest against the government.

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Post by acdha »

YZF wrote: post #957
beej71 wrote: post #775

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I agree with you on vandalism, but how are the protests idiotic? And what's your suggestion for Americans saving their democracy?

Tesla is a large US company. Elon owns (less than?) 20% of it personally. They make cars in the US. I'll make Elon hurt by hurting Tesla is childish and counter-productive. Elon's not gonna care. So instead of protesting Tesla protest against the government.

Musk has power in part because he can pour enormous amounts of money into political races. A lot of that money is based on his Tesla and SpaceX holdings, so lower share prices directly reduce his ability to borrow against those shares.

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Post by protocolture »

acidmath wrote: post #956
protocolture wrote: post #950

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No I am taking the view that spam is speech, and should be included in an absolutists agenda.

That's quite the take. My hat goes off to you, ya crazy bastard. <3

The problem with spam isnt the content, its the quantity.

Lots of spam emails are for genuine services. But its generally accepted that because the speech is unwanted and the quanity of it lowers the quality of the platform, that its fine to filter it off.

Free Speech absolutism should incorporate it, but doesnt. (Which sort of indicates its mostly about broadcasting their opinions rather than being in favour of all speech)

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