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U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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Post by beojan »

ropejumper wrote: post #916
HPMOR wrote: post #403

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I know this is __so___ off topic, but the $ goes in front of the value for USD. It should be $500. Again, again, I know read the room, there's a tragic war going on, and the US is becoming complicit in the tragedy. But if we don't have time to be pedantic about monetary symbols then what good is the freedom we still possess.

Many americans put the euro sign before the numerical value even though most (afaik all) countries that use the euro put it after. This is such a weird thing to get bothered by.

The Eurostat style guide puts the Euro sign in front of the numbers for English text: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...

I think the general rule is that in English the currency symbol for the primary currency goes in front of the number, while the symbol for a subunit (pence, cents, etc) goes after the number.

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Post by EGreg »

cratermoon wrote: post #53
EGreg wrote: post #26

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Well, in the 90s Clinton negotiated the Agreed framework with North Korea not to get nukes in exchange for lowering sanctions. Then Bush admin called it "appeasement" and let it die. Then NK got nukes. Obama's admin negotiated the JCPOA deal with Iran, same thing. They put the most inspectors ever in any country to make sure Iran doesn't get nukes. Trump's admin then unilaterally ended it. Tom Cotton and Republicans…

> no country has done it in the southern hemisphere, for instance South Africa

Well, they dismantled them all. So it’s back to 0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_and_weapons_of_ma...

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Post by mythrwy »

ruszki wrote: post #941
mythrwy wrote: post #639

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Could be the development of this attitude is part of the point.

To make wars more probable? Shouldn’t be the focus on avoiding war? That won’t happen with less mutual reliance and more weapons.

To wean off US dependence. Or you think they US should be responsible for global policing indefinitely?

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Post by motorest »

arandomusername wrote: post #783
Aeolun wrote: post #770

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Collective defense was always an option. It's not like anyone has the appetite for that, but it's not hard as such to kick Russia out of Ukraine.

Nope. Majority of Europeans and Americans do not want to go and fight for Ukraine. Especially when there's a thread of nuclear war.

We don't need to fight. We only need to hand over to Ukraine the weapons they have been asking for since 2022. A few Taurus with the gloves off and Ukraine instantly gets far closer to prevent Russia from continuing their whole war effort.

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Post by motorest »

codedokode wrote: post #702
audunw wrote: post #665

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Of course they can defeat Russia, if they’re tenacious enough. Just look at Afghanistan (against both Russia and USA). If the costs ends up being too high, eventually the attacker loses the will to continue the fight. Russia is running out of equipment. What they have left is in an increasingly bad state. Ukraine’s recent strategy of targeting refineries is working fairly well. Ukraine now has domestic laser weapons…

Afghanistan is an awful example because there was a large number of civilians dead as a result (many times more that foreign soldiers), country having to live through several devastating wars, poverty, and a terrorist group became the government in the end. This was much worse thing than what is happening in Ukraine.

> This was much worse thing than what is happening in Ukraine.

The only reason Ukraine is yet to be as worse for civilians as Afghanistan is the fact that Ukraine successfully routed and defeated Russia's initial invasion push.

Look at Bucha to see a real world example of what expects Ukraine if they capitulate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucha_massacre

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Post by motorest »

matthewdgreen wrote: post #947
gedy wrote: post #643

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> with the full might of US support Wasn't the time for that 3 years ago (or 11)? I'm not pro Russia, but a war of attrition has always seemed a bad play and half-assed. Especially when Europe is still buying gas from Russia...

As opposed to what alternative? A full-scale NATO invasion of Russia? Nuclear war? The West has gone to great lengths to provide the absolute minimum response to Russia's invasion (no troops, even withholding certain weapons classes) and leaders have repeatedly expressed concerns about the danger of an outright Russian collapse. Weakening Russia's military without imploding the government has always been the obvious…

> Weakening Russia's military without imploding the government has always been the obvious goal.

True, but the collective West would do much better if the volume of support allowed Ukraine to furtherincrease Russia's attrition rate. Knocking down the Crimean bridge alone would wreak havoc to Crimea's logistics.

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Post by Suppafly »

kelnos wrote: post #605
Suppafly wrote: post #549

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People are downvoting this, but I'm always suspicious of comments online that imply they are from the US but mess up simple details that no native US user would mess up.

I dunno, a friend of mine does this, and she's a naive born American (and so are her parents). English is her only language. She knows it's "wrong", but just likes it better.

There is always an exception that proves the rule.

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Post by collingreen »

arandomusername wrote: post #784
ponector wrote: post #778

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It's not that hard and even no troops required. Send more weapons without restrictions to use them against Russians, tight real sanctions and they will be defeated

that's how you get nukes in Cuba

Let me respond with some equally flippant, reductive text.

First, they came for Ukraine and we did nothing...

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Post by collingreen »

joe_the_user wrote: post #868
xg15 wrote: post #392

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It's definitely been more than three weeks. As someone who lives in the EU and has the same kind of relatives, what I find frustrating is how little actual engagement with the Russian narratives there is from official sides. There is presented "evidence" for US influence in Ukraine long before the war, like the Victoria Nuland video, yet there seems to be no attempts at debunking those arguments, short of a catch-all…

Well, in "real politics" terms, the Russian narrative becomes "we stole this fair and square - we conquered this much territory, it has historically been ours, so you should make a treaty giving us this and we're done" whereas the Ukraine's narrative is basically "Russia holding that territory is unjust and fundamentally violates the democratic aspirations of the people there, so we need X many years of war and X tho…

Plus the whole long term global strategy about incentivizing vs disincentivizing invasion of allied nations.
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