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Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by noisy_boy »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #429
dandellion wrote: post #342

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I know the feeling. I'm forced to use a Mac laptop for work, and it's really made me appreciate Linux.

Linux is better than Windows on most counts for sure, but I’m not sure I’ll ever be able to use it full-time without making significant concessions on preferences about how desktop environment stuff works. If you’re someone who grew up on Macs there’s almost nothing in the Linux desktop space that tries to replicate that set of patterns… it’s all Win9X-type taskbar setups, mobile-type setups (GNOME, Pantheon), old ni…

> preferences about how desktop environment stuff works

Having used KDE plasma, I am convinced that there is no other DE that has more knobs to make things exactly how you want it. Though I never liked the global constantly changing bar on the top in Macs anyway so can't comment on whether KDE can be made to do that.

Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by xdavidliu »

guappa wrote: post #916
mizzao wrote: post #890

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It's too bad that Linux doesn't come with Apple Silicon. And while 20s me would have loved configuring things, once I had a family and a lot less time, I just want it to work.

You can get a thinkpad and it will in fact just work :D

the point is thinkpad hardware is not nearly as good as Apple Silicon hardware

Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

noisy_boy wrote: post #951
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #429

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Linux is better than Windows on most counts for sure, but I’m not sure I’ll ever be able to use it full-time without making significant concessions on preferences about how desktop environment stuff works. If you’re someone who grew up on Macs there’s almost nothing in the Linux desktop space that tries to replicate that set of patterns… it’s all Win9X-type taskbar setups, mobile-type setups (GNOME, Pantheon), old ni…

> preferences about how desktop environment stuff works Having used KDE plasma, I am convinced that there is no other DE that has more knobs to make things exactly how you want it. Though I never liked the global constantly changing bar on the top in Macs anyway so can't comment on whether KDE can be made to do that.

I’ve spent time using KDE and it indeed has a lot of knobs. The options are nice but it’s still a struggle to get it configured the way I like, partially because there are no knobs for some things while some of the existing knobs control things that don’t make that much of a difference to me.

As mentioned elsewhere in the thread the issue with its global menu bar is the sheer number of apps that don’t populate it. Even the same exact Electron apps that populate the menubar on macOS don’t bother under Linux. Over half the time it sits up there empty.

Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by pmarreck »

hbosch wrote: post #901
yalok wrote: post #685

This has been going on for years. I used to do a lot of iOS development, and have an eye for bugs. Almost every Apple app/service has been regressing in quality. Take basic functionality - a phone app (calling). After certain audio sessions use (calling via WhatsApp) I can’t make regular calls over cellular - the UI app immediately cancels the call. Only reboot helps. Or notes - for many years/iOS versions, they live…

>phone app I'm triggered. How many times have you reached for the 'end call' button, but the other person ended the call a moment earlier than you, and as you press down the screen immediately flips to your "recent calls" screen and you call a random person straight away? This is such a common and terrifying experience for me, and yet it's been the default UX on the Phone app since probably day 1.

This is a symptom of a more general problem that I named (clumsily... "Rerender/Reflow/Repopulation Delayed Interaction Timeout Missing") in a 2017 blog post!

https://medium.com/p/31773fe6bbd5

I consider it by far the most annoying bug in touch UI's today.

Solution: There must be a small interaction-ignoring delay instituted when any control has just moved to its final rendered location.

Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by pmarreck »

kobalsky wrote: post #906
hbosch wrote: post #901

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>phone app I'm triggered. How many times have you reached for the 'end call' button, but the other person ended the call a moment earlier than you, and as you press down the screen immediately flips to your "recent calls" screen and you call a random person straight away? This is such a common and terrifying experience for me, and yet it's been the default UX on the Phone app since probably day 1.

the ipad skype apps puts the call button where the hangup button is, so if someone hangs up right when you are going to click it, you call them again. and this is such an easy fix, just don't make components touchable for X milliseconds after they are visible, some value below average human reaction time. this could of course get in the way of people quickly navigating via muscle memory, but there's a probably a thre…

I literally posted about this issue with pretty much the exact same proposed solution in 2017

https://medium.com/p/31773fe6bbd5

Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by drdo »

dsego wrote: post #265
drdo wrote: post #97

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What is this "Custom Color"? I clicked the "+" icon to open the color picker and did as described and I cannot reproduce this. Sequoia 15.3.1 (24D70)

You need to close and reopen the setting after adding a color. Then in the top right there will be a custom color button.

Successfully replicated after trying this!

Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by DaanDL »

Cupprum wrote: post #681

I have a feeling that user testing just gets completely avoided. One thing which bugs me since the last redesign of the horrible apple photos app, is that they changed its order of showing picture?! After going on a trip, i like creating a album and sharing it with my family, I also put there some comments, and try to turn it into a story. I believe this is what an album is supposed to do, tell a story. Therefore ren…

Sharing albums is also a huge pain. Inviting new members doesn't work half of the time.

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Post by jeffhuys »

neuronic wrote: post #782
jeffhuys wrote: post #751

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Can't reproduce. Second one this thread where someone had this error "for years" but I can't reproduce. Smells of a setting that's been migrated for years from an old version, as where I'm writing from is a clean macbook with a clean account (M3, about a year old now). EDIT: can repro. But it's very important to note: you need to have a color selected already. So select a color with the + sign, close the app, open it…

Just tested on M1 Pro, 15.0 (Settings version) on Sonoma. After initial custom color selection by clicking on the "+" (which works fine) and then reopening the Window to click "Custom Color" and then selecting the color again... it doesn't just jump for 20ms - it goes into full on psychotic flash jump behavior and basically continues to do so hands-off for 5 entire seconds before it stops at a random color. There is…

It's interesting to me that there's such a big difference between our experiences, even though the bug we find is the same. I'm running an M3 Pro 15.3 Sonoma. If you don't believe me I can provide a screen recording but from here yes, it's buggy, but it's such a small issue (milliseconds vs your seconds) that I'd give Apple a pass on this. But I get that you wouldn't!

Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by punnerud »

eliseomartelli wrote: post #698
punnerud wrote: post #637

I have been reporting several bugs through the Feedback app you get access to when you are part of the beta program. There is to many menus and no search option to find the right “department” to report to, so I have almost stopped giving feedback on bugs. I guess the fixes have to start there first.

Author here, I used the Apple's Product Feedback page[0] countless times, I don't have the Feedback app since I'm running the _stable_ builds of all their OSes. [0] https://www.apple.com/feedback/

Did not know about that form, thanks

Re: Apple's Software Quality Crisis

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Post by DanielHB »

bored13 wrote: post #925
DanielHB wrote: post #840

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Man I just got a mini-itx case and use a full-blown windows desktop next to my TV. Bought a "fly-mouse" (wireless mouse that works with gyroscope), set screen DPI to 200%. One thing I didn't expect is that my family ends up using the TV quite a lot for planning stuff, like doing google sheets, planning trips on google maps, booking planes/restaurants/concerts/etc. We have a small normal wireless mouse and keyboard fo…

Bazitte is solid. Added PWA/electron wrappers for any web apps I frequently use (netflix/youtube/etc.) and added them as non-steam-games to my library. Have a steam controller and it is about as easy to use as any streaming stick.

WOW that is sick! I can just customize my OS with a dockerfile!?

It seems support for nvidia is rudimentary (my living room PC has a GTX 1070), but will keep an eye out. Might try the beta during my vacation.

Do try a fly mouse, those are great for normal web browsing.

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