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Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by cynicalpeace »

janoc wrote: post #947
cynicalpeace wrote: post #897

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"There Is No AI Revolution" Good write-up. But it focuses too much on the big companies. Many indiehackers have figured out how to make profit with AI: 1. No free tier. Just provide a good landing page. 2. Ship fast. Ship iteratively. Employ no one besides yourself. 3. Profit. The old silicon valley idea that you need to raise a bunch of money, hire a bunch of devs, and scale a ton to satisfy investors is dying rapid…

And pretty much most of them just resell OpenAI/Anthropic/Google/Meta's APIs and model access, with something repackaged on top. And none is remotely profitable.

Greater than $50k profit per month per employee sounds very profitable to me.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by whiplash451 »

legulere wrote: post #904
igor47 wrote: post #177

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You're the one buying him the underwear. Don't index funds outperform managed investing? I think especially after accounting for fees, but possibly even after accounting that 50% of money managers are below average.

Most index funds are synthetic. They would not be possible if it was not possible to beat the index quite reliably.

Care to explain? Genuinely interested.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by glenstein »

PaulRobinson wrote: post #860
netdevphoenix wrote: post #756

Is it official then? Most of us have been waiting for this moment for a while. The transformer architecture as it is currently understood can't be milked any further. Many of us knew this since last year. GPT-5 delays eventually led to non-tech voices to suggest likewise. But we all held our final decision until the next big release from OpenAI as Sam Altman has been making claims about AGI entering the workforce thi…

It's worth pointing out that GPT-4.5 seems focused on better pre-training and doesn't include reasoning. I think GPT-5 - if/when it happens - will be 4.5 with reasoning, and as such it will feel very different. The barrier, is the computational cost of it. Once 4.5 gets down to similar costs to 4.0 - which could be achieved through various optimization steps (what happened to the ternary stuff that was published last…

>the barrier, is the computational cost of it. Once 4.5 gets down to similar costs to 4.0

Well, did 4.0 ever become lower cost? On the API side, its cost per tokens is a factor of 10 higher than 4o even though 4o is considered the better model.

I think 4.5 may just be retired wholesale, or perhaps a new model derived from it that is more efficient, a 4.5mini or something like that.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #921
apwell23 wrote: post #818

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why did you remove the comment . now who ppl responded to you look like dummies. do you do this sort of stuff in real life too?

What would it mean to do this in real life? :D I regularly make knee-jerk comments on HN that I delete a minute later. Something therapeutic about it. My comment isn't one I wanted on my "record". You responded to it and I saw your response before deleting my comment. What's the harm? It's obvious I removed my comment.

> I regularly make knee-jerk comments on HN that I delete a minute later. Something therapeutic about it.

I'm really curious about this. Doesn't it feel selfish to you to subject the public to your internal anxieties? It's the same reason I don't unload on everyone around me.

EDIT: I'm not trying to dunk on you. You're being honest so thanks for that.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by chefandy »

malthaus wrote: post #706
chefandy wrote: post #204

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He earns his undies. My returns are almost always modestly above index fund returns after his fees, though like last quarter, he’s very upfront when they’re not. He has good advice for pulling back when things are uncertain. I’m happy to delegate that to him.

you would still be better off in the long run even just putting everything into an MSCI world unless you value being able to scream at a human if markets go down that highly

I’m not saying you’re wrong because I have no idea how to rigorously evaluate the merit of your financial advice. That’s why I have a financial planner instead of going by the most credible sounding comments on the internet.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

rjinman wrote: post #894
Terretta wrote: post #885

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What's the difference between your "agentic AIs" and, say, "script kiddies" or "expert anarchist/black-hat hackers"? It's been obvious for a while that the narrow-waist APIs between things matter, and apparent that agentic AI is leaning into adaptive API consumption, but I don't see how that gives the agentic client some super-power we don't already need to defend against since before AGI we already have HGI (human g…

> What's the difference between your "agentic AIs" and, say, "script kiddies" or "expert anarchist/black-hat hackers"? Intelligence. I'm talking about super-intelligence. If you want to know what it feels like to be intellectually outclassed by a machine, download the latest Go engine and have fun losing again and again while not understanding why. Now imagine an ASI that isn't confined to the Go board, but operating…

But the world is not a game where you "win" by intelligence; very far from it. Just look at who is currently in the White House.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by drdaeman »

rjinman wrote: post #842
netdevphoenix wrote: post #756

Is it official then? Most of us have been waiting for this moment for a while. The transformer architecture as it is currently understood can't be milked any further. Many of us knew this since last year. GPT-5 delays eventually led to non-tech voices to suggest likewise. But we all held our final decision until the next big release from OpenAI as Sam Altman has been making claims about AGI entering the workforce thi…

As someone who is terrified of agentic ASI, I desperately hope this is true. We need more time to figure out alignment.

It doesn't do anyone any good to stress over non-existent things. ASI is a sci-fi trope, a pure fantasy in context of present day and time. AGI does not exist either, and AFAIK there's not even any agreement what it possibly means beyond very vague "no worse than a human".

In other words, I'm sure you're terrified of a modern fairy tale.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by tmiku »

rjinman wrote: post #894
Terretta wrote: post #885

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the difference between your "agentic AIs" and, say, "script kiddies" or "expert anarchist/black-hat hackers"? It's been obvious for a while that the narrow-waist APIs between things matter, and apparent that agentic AI is leaning into adaptive API consumption, but I don't see how that gives the agentic client some super-power we don't already need to defend against since before AGI we already have HGI (human g…

> What's the difference between your "agentic AIs" and, say, "script kiddies" or "expert anarchist/black-hat hackers"? Intelligence. I'm talking about super-intelligence. If you want to know what it feels like to be intellectually outclassed by a machine, download the latest Go engine and have fun losing again and again while not understanding why. Now imagine an ASI that isn't confined to the Go board, but operating…

> Now imagine an ASI that isn't confined to the Go board, but operating out in the world.

I don't think it's reasonable at all to look at a system's capability in games with perfect and easily-ingested information and extrapolate about its future capabilities interacting with the real world. What makes you confident that these problem domains are compatible?

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by [deleted] »

janoc wrote: post #947
cynicalpeace wrote: post #897

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"There Is No AI Revolution" Good write-up. But it focuses too much on the big companies. Many indiehackers have figured out how to make profit with AI: 1. No free tier. Just provide a good landing page. 2. Ship fast. Ship iteratively. Employ no one besides yourself. 3. Profit. The old silicon valley idea that you need to raise a bunch of money, hire a bunch of devs, and scale a ton to satisfy investors is dying rapid…

And pretty much most of them just resell OpenAI/Anthropic/Google/Meta's APIs and model access, with something repackaged on top. And none is remotely profitable.

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Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by barfingclouds »

joshuamcginnis wrote: post #82

I'm one week in on heavy grok usage. I didn't think I'd say this, but for personal use, I'm considering cancelling my OpenAI plan. The one thing I wish grok had was more separation of the UI from X itself. The interface being so coupled to X puts me off and makes it feel like a second-hand citizen. I like ChatGPTs minimalist UI.

There’s a grok app for iPhone that’s basically the same as ChatGPT/deepseek/mistral/gemini/claude
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