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Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by atulvi »

jaysonelliot wrote: post #934
jansan wrote: post #890

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There was this joke about rich Russians that I heard maybe 25 years ago. Two rich Russian guys meet and one brags about his new necktie. "Look at this, I paid $500 for it." The other rich Russian guy replies: "Well, that is quite nice, but you have to take better care of your money. I have seen that same necktie just yesterday in another shop for $1000."

Can you explain that joke for me? I keep reading it and I don't get it.

it's just that rich Russians do not have financial sense.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by iteratethis »

jaysonelliot wrote: post #934
jansan wrote: post #890

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There was this joke about rich Russians that I heard maybe 25 years ago. Two rich Russian guys meet and one brags about his new necktie. "Look at this, I paid $500 for it." The other rich Russian guy replies: "Well, that is quite nice, but you have to take better care of your money. I have seen that same necktie just yesterday in another shop for $1000."

Can you explain that joke for me? I keep reading it and I don't get it.

The punch line is that more expensive is better in cases where you buy something just to flex wealth.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #756
bobxmax wrote: post #462

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ChatGPT is literally generating billions in revenue. Cursor is the fastest growing company of all time. This lame HN trope of LLMs having no business model needs to die.

What source(s) are there for cursor's growth rate/revenue ?

Yeah I would be shocked to see that Cursor is the fastest growing company of all time by a good metric...

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by iteratethis »

weberer wrote: post #269
ensocode wrote: post #121

What are your first impressions using it? (Not available in Europe currently). Is it a game-changer?

>Not available in Europe currently I hate how its the same story for every new AI technology. If someone can tell me who to vote for or where to protest to change this awful EU law, that would be great.

It's not an awful law.

The Digital Market Act is a bit of an overreach but the AI law is not.

It classifies AI into risk categories, so that it doesn't kill anyone, carelessly handle sensitive information, etc.

A chatbot can easily comply with it.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by boroboro4 »

iclimbthings wrote: post #852
lopatamd wrote: post #763

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Imagine what they'll achieve if they'll apply deepseek methods here with this insane compute

And they will since Deepseek open-sourced everything.

The only thing Deepseek open sourced is architecture description and some of training methods. They didn’t open source their data pipelines or super optimized training code.

Their architecture achievement is their own MoE and own attention. Grok was MoE since v1. As for attention we don’t know really what grok use now, but it worth noting DeepSeek attention was already present in previous version of DeepSeek models.

As of reasoning recipe for R1 seems like Grok already either replicated or came up to it by itself, since they have well performing reasoning uptrain too.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by jug »

RobinL wrote: post #159
qingcharles wrote: post #59

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I've spent the last hour testing it and I'm blown away. And this is coming from a very hardcore user of OpenAI/Claude products on a daily basis. It passed every goofy test I have for writing articles which involves trying to surface arcane obscure details. (it certainly means however they are scraping the Web they are doing a good job here) It made the database code I wrote over the last week with o3/o1/GPT4o/Claude3…

Apologies for possibly stupid question but where can you use it right now? Just on 'direct chat' on https://lmarena.ai/ or is there a better alternative? Or do you have early access?

Hopefully, you’ll be able to avoid the whole X Premium Plus thing in the near future with OpenRouter. It’ll still use xAI backend but via your OpenRouter API key. Then you can use it with any web or mobile app that supports OpenRouter.

Personally, I wouldn’t use it though. What’s going on with Elon Musk right now is completely insane. I hope to see OpenAI’s GPT-4.5 & GPT-5 releases to catch up soon, if nothing else. Announced for this year.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by CamperBob2 »

hmottestad wrote: post #649
dtquad wrote: post #478

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The full-sized DeepSeek-R1 is on par with o1. o1-pro is "o1 on steroids" and was the first selling point of the $200/month Pro subscription but they later also added "Deep Research" and Operator to the Pro subscription.

For me I was sold on the consistency. o1 does really great at several programming problems, but o1-pro does great on these problems 4 of 4 tries. I get a good answer more often with o1-pro than with just o1, or even o3-mini-high.

o1-pro is indeed pretty great, but I find that I can iterate several times with Gemini 2.0 Pro Experimental (or whatever their latest reasoning model is called these days) between o1-pro's responses. It's almost too slow for interactive use cases.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by thegrim33 »

cbg0 wrote: post #318
cm2187 wrote: post #140

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A "hit piece" is not just a negative article, it typically refers to the use of false information or rumors to support something. Did you want to say that it's "an obvious anti-Musk piece"?

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hit_piece

"A published article or post aiming to sway public opinion, especially by presenting false or biased information in a way that appears objective and truthful."

"false OR biased". So, a biased partisan article attempting to sway public opinion about someone is by definition a hit piece. Even without explicit lies.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by Grimblewald »

samsepi01 wrote: post #929
kragen wrote: post #663

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No DeepSeek model is open source; they're freely redistributable, but without source.

I guess when it comes to LLM's what is considered the "source" - the weights or the code used to build the weights?

You're forgetting the flour in your cake recipie, the data, arguably the singularly most important part.
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