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Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed

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Post by teamonkey »

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It's it's political by nature, and biased because it's written by humans, but I think the brevity of the format helps keep things to the point. Really, you have to do the pre-social-media trick of comparing multiple sources, adjusting for known biases, and synthesising a world view. I've always rated the Financial Times for world news. It has a high-capital bias of course, but because its goal is to help investors ma…

It is hard to be apolitical, but most news are constantly repeating propaganda. Financial journals are great informing people. Right now business insider has an article on Wallstreet embracing opensource. The problem is that their pitch is always: How can we squeeze more from the working class and into our pockets? I am looking for more authentic/humane writing style. There is a lot of info to keep informed, so the w…

I agree, but I don’t know of anything better. And with regards to Ground News specifically, it reinforces the fallacy that “the truth is somewhere in the middle,” while the position of the “middle” is being manipulated by bad actors at the extremes.

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Post by jajko »

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Don't have a specific advise, but generally I don't consume nor trust news articles about given country, from given country. So I read about my central European homeland from neighboring news, or BBC/Guardian for example. Its more difficult with US since every fart affects rest of the world, sometimes massively, but some sort of averaging in my mind does it for me. Or at least I think it does, what is truly objective…

I wouldn't trust the guardian. Their misrepsetation of Depp v. Heard was appalling and revealed that they have extreme ideological biases.

Yeah I don't trust any 100%, all have biases, heck all people have biases. That's why some sort of averaging if topic is worth investing time into

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Post by snapcaster »

Clubber wrote: post #846
snapcaster wrote: post #179

I think "being informed" is very overrated in general. Often it means being informed about palace intrigue and intelligence service/corporate narratives. I would say that in general media consumption or "staying informed" should be seen as a vice not a virtue

Most people think being informed is reading the NYT or the WP. That's being half informed. That's like listening to the prosecutor and ignoring the defense. You have to read both sides of the stories and guess where in between the actual facts lie (no pun intended).

See i even go further, i disagree that consuming _more_ propaganda is somehow an antidote to other propaganda you consumed. My strong belief on this is that the more media you consume the less accurate your worldview becomes

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Post by joshdavham »

recroad wrote: post #930
joshdavham wrote: post #42

One thing to consider for those of us who are more sensitive to online outrage is to just quit social media all together. I’m technically gen z and I’ve been off of social media (aside from HN, WhatsApp and discord) for years and you wouldn’t believe how great it’s been for my overall state of mind. Reddit, instagram, X, Facebook, TikTok, LinkedIn, Threads, etc are all the equivalent of digital junk food and I’d argu…

So the only things you check are HN, WhatsApp and Discord?

Yes. However I occasionally hop on LinkedIn for its job board, YouTube to watch a tutorial or Reddit when I’ve made something that I wanna share like a project or a meme. Other than that, I avoid these sites like the absolute plague. I virtually never browse them for fun.

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Post by pavel_lishin »

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I am happy to learn about better alternatives.

Democracy Forward has brought many of the lawsuits against the president’s executive overreach IIRC. Democracy Docket has had a lot of success protecting voting rights.

Donated.

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Post by BadCookie »

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I think yostrovs was talking about Musk, not Trump. And calling someone who did two Nazi salutes in front of a crowd “Hitler” is maybe not as unfair as you are making it out to be. My guess is that Musk did it for outrage purposes rather than because he is an actual Nazi, but it’s hard to know really. Video in case you somehow have not seen the incident I am referring to: https://youtu.be/gDkuwRx14hQ

Why would the video you shared take out the words "from my heart" that were said just before the gesture? Would that maybe change the meaning of the gesture? This is the problem with MSM that makes you actually think you're dealing with Hitler.

I agree that the video I shared should have included those words. But the words do not change the meaning of the gesture, which is very uniquely recognizable and important historically. Doing this gesture during WW2 in the U.S. would’ve led to Elon getting arrested at a minimum, or maybe just shot on the spot based on what I know of this time period. (I would love to hear the opinions of actual historians though.)

Then Elon did not apologize or make any attempt to explain it away, and in fact made jokes about it.

Imagine that you were a neo-Nazi. Would you take this gesture and his lack of apology as a sign that Elon is on your side?

This is also not the first time that Elon has done something like this. His Twitter history is not something I would be proud of.

Anybody who thinks it was accidental seems extremely gullible to me. Nobody does a Nazi salute by accident. A “my heart goes out to you” gesture looks absolutely nothing like this gesture for normal folks.

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Post by righthand »

basisword wrote: post #868
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This is wrong, Trump and his policies does affect everyone’s day to day life. It may not be immediately visible effect but that is why he lost the 2nd time he tried to run. This fallacy didn’t cause people to vote for Trump in this current election, it caused them to not vote. Not voting is a direct negative effect on your life because you’ve chosen to give up on understanding the consequences. We are basically on tr…

>> Trump and his policies does affect everyone’s day to day life Of course, to an extent. But for the vast majority of people they aren't going to have a direct and horrible impact. Take some of the most objectionable things so far - the kind that might upset you if you read about them (treatment of immigrants, plans to 'take over' Greenland/Panama/Palastine, pardoning the Jan 6 criminals, DOGE, etc). These are all v…

I think the closing of social programs is upsetting but not necessarily impactful to the wider populace because the admin can be sued for abusing federal funds and the programs easily reinstated.

That’s not the only changes that are happening however, there is pressure to normalize criminal activity to ensure the wealthy aren’t held accountable. This is immediately impactful because for every person Trump pardons or protects it enables the same behavior on the Democrat side. The “well Democrats will never do something like Trump” is also a fallacy. That behavior does immediately impact everyone.

So no I don’t wish my father to tune out the world in between elections. I want my father to tune out the hysterics, but he is one of the hysterics. People should be actively informed and ready to act. The hysteria is what happens when people ignore the world for short term capital gain.

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Post by Klonoar »

warkdarrior wrote: post #401
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I don’t have too much issue with Reddits politics at the moment, but I do think it’s odd that such a powerful platform in society is managed by volunteer (mostly) anonymous moderators. I will be explicit in that I am not condoning doxxing Reddit mods. I just don’t think we’d be fine with this in normal day to day life.

Do you know the editors at your local TV stations? The local radio stations? The people who curate the datasets that train the YouTube recommendation model?

I would argue that one should know those things.

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Post by myroon5 »

gipp wrote: post #121
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This has been my exact issue with giving up reddit. It's really hard to replace very niche topics without it, since many online forums are dead. I also append so many searches on google with "reddit" because the top results are generally SEO spam. Reading "You should quit reddit" helped a little. The author tries to reframe your hidden beliefs about reddit like "finding useful information" or "it's filled with expert…

My approach, finally mostly successful after over a decade, is just "no main feed or subreddit pages." Reading a thread off a Google search or whatever because it has information I want is fine.

News feed eradicator extension helps with that across ~8 sites:

https://github.com/jordwest/news-feed-eradicator

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Post by lazyeye »

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Clearly the American people did see a problem with inflation and voted accordingly. And no matter how they try to spin it to support a particular political narrative, that won't change. There are so many ways to spin the numbers to make them support an argument. I'm not an economist so am in no position to assess (and I'm guessing neither are you). But given the track record (bias) of the NYT, I'm always going to be…

Honestly I wasn’t even approaching this with right vs left in mind. I spend most of my voice on this subject talking down my liberal friends off a cliff. The right and the left tend to think the economy has never been worse and it’s all X fault. Here’s the same jist from the economist: https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/10/17/americas-econom... If you want the thoughtful, smart, very right wing source on it, then…

So far we've mentioned 3 parties in this scenario...the NY Times, Cato Institute and the voting public. There used to be a time where we'd give priority to the "experts" despite how consistently wrong they seem to be about almost everything. I think what's changed is we now have so many credible sources for comparison, that they are no longer able to gaslight people. So their opinions, quite rightly, have far less value than they used to. So yeah, I'II go with the voting public on this one.
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