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Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by nejsjsjsbsb »

999900000999 wrote: post #195

>In a unanimous decision, the Supreme Court sided with the Biden administration, upholding the Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act which President Joe Biden signed in April. Glad to see when it comes to protecting tech monopolies the wisest among us are in full agreement. Silly things like a right to a speedy trial are up for debate though. I think this is a massive over reach. You…

> I think this is a massive over reach. You can argue to restrict social media to those over 18, but Americans should have a right to consume content they choose.

Ain't about that.

> What's next, banning books by Chinese authors?

No

> Banning Chinese Americans from holding key positions in social media companies, after all they might have uncles in the CCP!

No.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by fredgrott »

Let's see how many flunk Literacy....

How does one value a start up asset that according to ByteDance will never ever get access to the TikTok algo powering the app?

It appears at the moment, the only one to bet on who knows what the eff they are talking about is Mark Cuban who wants to pay or buy someone creating a new tiktok clone that uses the Bluesky protocol

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Post by bearjaws »

spandrew wrote: post #674
toddmorey wrote: post #643

Anyone here who's not a TikTok content creator reasonably upset about losing access to the platform? Can you tell me why it will sting for you? I was really surprised that my daughters (avid teenage TikTok users) are much more relieved than mad. Both said they wasted too much time on TikTok and were hoping life will now feel better. Seems the very thing that made the platform sticky puts it in a guilty pleasure categ…

They'll be on RedNote within 2 weeks. Other's have said it; but TikTok was such a nice format for media. It emphasized what the creator can provide its users; what content was legit; entertaining, informative, etc. Whereas Instagram and FB are more about personal "branding". You post the best version of yourself and it's rewarded with engagement. Where on TikTok the emphasis is on the content; even creators I follow…

> what content was legit

scrolls past 10 temu adds for clearly pirated retro game consoles, same comment 9 times "oh if you bought X last week I feel sorry its not 50% off!!!"

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by dqv »

stevenAthompson wrote: post #726

The United States is currently in the middle of a cyber cold-war with China. They hacked all of our major telco's and many of America's regulatory organizations including the treasury department. Specifically they used the telco hacks to gather geolocation data in order to pinpoint Americans and to spy on phone calls by abusing our legally mandated wiretap capabilities. Yet people are arguing that we should allow the…

> The United States is currently in the middle of a cyber cold-war with China.

The United States Government is. I'm a United States citizen. Importantly, they're not fighting for me or my stability, they're fighting for the stability of oligarchs. They will gladly destabilize me and my life in service of the ruling class.

Appeals to nationalism only work on nationalists. I'd need a good reason to be a nationalist. The very few listed reasons are some vague reference to freedom as if just saying that makes it true.

Get back to me when it's "China is threatening your guaranteed housing!" or "China is going to roll back the statutory work holiday laws in the US!" or "China is attacking the information systems used for our guaranteed child care program!"

It's really simple: if you want people to love and defend the US and what it purportedly stands for, then give them concrete reasons to do so. Improve their quality of life.

Until then, leave me the hell out of the fearmongering about China. I'm much more fearful of the systemic policies of the US making me homeless than some nation state's cyberopium ruining my mind or protecting information systems that were intentionally left insecure in service of profit and the intelligence apparatus.

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Post by wruza »

vachina wrote: post #905
elzbardico wrote: post #181

This is going to be an interesting experiment: A widely used social network across the world WITHOUT american content. Until now, the closest thing we had like this were national our regional networks like Russia's vk, but Vk was never truly popular outside Russian speaking countries. Now we, for the first time ever, will have the situation where a social network has global reach but without american content. Will it…

No more exporting of Murican culture and ideologies. Kinda cool on a second thought.

Wish this was a thing for youtube as well. I’d like a breathe of fresh air from either my bubble or the logged out frontpage that s is not political and cultural propaganda, no /s.

American dominance in english speaking media is really tiresome.

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Post by Andrex »

mplanchard wrote: post #272
mrcwinn wrote: post #15

Regardless of one’s view on the outcome, this case is a reminder that textualism as a legal philosophy stands on shaky ground. This case is decided not on some strict analysis of the words written by a legislator, but on the court’s subjective view that there is a compelling national interest (which in turn seems based on speculation about the future, rather than a factual analysis of events). Textualism might give t…

This was a unanimous decision. The only points where Sotomayor and Gorusch disagreed with the majority decision was whether TikTok's operation qualified under strict scrutiny for first amendment considerations, but both agreed that even under strict scrutiny, the law would have survived the challenge. Much of the decision is indeed based around an analysis of the words written by the legislature.

It was an extremely curt law (like two sentences), the authors definitely chose the words carefully.

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Post by Andrex »

corimaith wrote: post #555
mrcwinn wrote: post #15

Regardless of one’s view on the outcome, this case is a reminder that textualism as a legal philosophy stands on shaky ground. This case is decided not on some strict analysis of the words written by a legislator, but on the court’s subjective view that there is a compelling national interest (which in turn seems based on speculation about the future, rather than a factual analysis of events). Textualism might give t…

Rather I think this a good example of how people go through the steps of delegimitizing institutions if it dosen't agree with their opinion. If the Supreme Court's opinion is "shaky" then I guess the Pro-TikTokers would teetering on pole in the middle on the ocean.

You know someone is being intellectually dishonest when they call a unanimous decision by the one of the most divided Courts in US history "shaky."
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