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Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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So I suppose it's just back to the status quo? What has really changed that will make a difference in 2-3 years from now? Israel has sowed a whole fresh generation of "I will sacrifice everything to wipe Israel" Palestinian youth.

A lot more Palestinians learned not to attack Israel though.

If they try October 7 style attack again, Gaza will be wiped out.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

#952

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> Pager attack is a notable exception here, that was actually targeted badassery. weird to call killing people "targeted badassery"

I am fine with calling killing Hezbollah operatives bad-ass and am comfortable with the implications. Hezbollah is (was?) very bad, most especially if you were a Sunni in Syria. Fuck those guys. People should stop developing parasocial relationships with monsters.

... I didn't mean to imply anything about you personally, but I think someone could reasonably read this comment that way, so, sorry, I should be more careful.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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That's part of the problem as well - it's not exactly clear what the Palestinian position is - partly because I think they see things like 'right of return' (which is completely unacceptable to Israel) as bargaining chips to trade for something during negotiations.

The right of return is a human right which some Palestinians have according to international law. Whether it is acceptable or not for Israelis should not be a consideration. Majority rule was also completely unacceptable to white Rhodesians. But the international community correctly assessed this to be because of racist grounds and thus not worthy of consideration. Palestinians might negotiate away the right of retur…

Great, why don't we start with the United States which is the richest most privileged country in the world?

"Mexican Cession (1848): The most significant event was the Mexican-American War (1846-1848). Mexico lost the war, and through the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, it was forced to cede a vast amount of territory to the United States. This territory included present-day California, Nevada, Utah, most of New Mexico and Arizona, and parts of Colorado, Wyoming, Kansas, and Oklahoma. Texas had already declared independence from Mexico in 1836 and was annexed by the U.S. in 1845, a major cause of the war."

"Displacement and Dispossession: While the treaty promised to protect the property rights of Mexicans who stayed, in practice, many lost their land through legal maneuvering, fraud, or outright violence. This forced displacement would have driven some south to Mexico."

Whatever doesn't belong to Mexicans surely belongs to Indians.

Sounds like a good place to start. After that - Australia and Canada. Once that's done let's do Israel.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

I graduated from an electrical engineering program at a big ten (U.S.) school in the mid '90s, and I am closing in on retirement. I spent today enrapt in an Oracle upgrade from 10g to 11g. Yes, our IT is COBOL-centric, and we are vastly behind the times. Much of today was spent (re)compiling C. The consensus is that I will have to think hard tomorrow about how to fix these problems. While I was in school, I studied w…

I've worked with a few teams based in Israel during my at Intel, namely in networking and transceiver technology space. I try to make a point of getting to know the people I work with through 1:1s, and you'll be pleased to know there is a good mix of Palestinans and Israelis working together. Everyone there was proud to have a very diverse team.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Everything else aside, this is an absolutely fantastic development and I really hope the ceasefire holds and all hostages are released. I just fear this will cause western media and politicians to and declare the crisis to be over (after it had began on Oct. 7, of course absolutely out of the blue and without any context...) and go back to pretending everything is back to normal. Never mind that Gaza is still in ruin…

>"maybe they just vanish into thin air tomorrow"

This is the exact platform of at least one political party on either side.

Over and above any underlying cultural or historical conflict.

It's when misguided political parties gain power that puts that kind of thing on steroids.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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I am hoping at least for some sort of "Ok, now we pour money and bricks and concrete into Gaza to help them rebuild."

call to dispose other's people money is easy. you are free to make you donation.

I did. But if several nation-states would pledge larger grants, I would have some hope that i.e. the trucks with the building materials would get through border-crossings, e.t.c.

Individual donations are a drop in a very big and leaky bucket.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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A meta level comment for dang, I’m upvoting every comment that is being gang-downvoted…independent of the position. This topic, with roots going back millennia, deserves to have all opinions captured and presented, if nothing more than as a snapshot/wave collapse of where the opposing sides sat in 2025. Noting that, ceasefires are wonderful things.

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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I am fine with calling killing Hezbollah operatives bad-ass and am comfortable with the implications. Hezbollah is (was?) very bad, most especially if you were a Sunni in Syria. Fuck those guys. People should stop developing parasocial relationships with monsters.

... I didn't mean to imply anything about you personally, but I think someone could reasonably read this comment that way, so, sorry, I should be more careful.

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

#960

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Pager attack is a notable exception here, that was actually targeted badassery. weird to call killing people "targeted badassery"

I am fine with calling killing Hezbollah operatives bad-ass and am comfortable with the implications. Hezbollah is (was?) very bad, most especially if you were a Sunni in Syria. Fuck those guys. People should stop developing parasocial relationships with monsters.

i don't believe in killing anybody no matter how bad they are. i'm not interested in engaging in a debate on the internet with anybody about this belief, especially not the CTO of fly.io, so i don't care to hear why you believe that i should believe that people should die.

also, i don't have any parasocial relationship with anybody in the military on either side of this issue, nor any military member anywhere in the entire universe.

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