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Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Except it's nothing of the sort. It's just a bunch of random talking points (e.g. "Ukrainian neo-nazis killing people in Donbas") they read or heard somewhere, without making any effort to discern whether there was any validity at all to what had just been served to them.

You're uninformed on the history of Ukraine and Russia. That's fine.

You're not explaining why you think so, which is what it is.

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In what way is that clever? It's clearly wrong. If it were true, we'd experience three breakages at least 150 days of the year, every year.

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I think it is in the spirit of Hacker News to explain rather than just whoosh someone.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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I think it is in the spirit of Hacker News to explain rather than just whoosh someone.

You're right, that was not kind. Apologies. It was late at night and I'd read too many depressing news (and many even more depressing, warmongering comments). Not an excuse, just a human factor.

What I should have said:

By clever GP most probably meant funny (with a hint of self-deprecation) rather than smart (or even correct).

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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> it was literally a ship putting down its anchor just before the cable and then dragging it over the cable I don't understand. That's how I'd expect most accidents to happen. Someone decides to anchor too close to an undersea cable, the anchor fails to hold and the drifting ship drags the anchor over the cable damaging it. I'm not saying it wasn't sabotage, but there needs to be something a bit more than that. Sourc…

The case last year with the gas pipeline, the Chinese / Russian owned left Kaliningrad, and then while sailing, dropped its anchor before the pipeline and cable, and then dragged it over them, and then raised it. It was apparently accidental, yet both the Chinese and Russians didn't want the crew interviewed, the Estonian and the Finnish authorities both shrugged and didn't really care, and the Estonian energy prices…

Russia wants the West to react, to stop funding Ukraine and instead fund.. protection for their own homelands I guess. This is a known (theory?), and the game theoretic way to then respond is to, ignore that it happens. Dont stoke any fear or reaction from people or government.

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So, Germany?

Your profile says you're in Lithuania. Lithuania is part of NATO. IF this was an officially sanctioned mission by a NATO country, then you're part of the "we". That's kind of the deal with alliances.

Yes. But in this case it's not known who did this. One NATO member is trying to pin it on Ukraine. But evidence is scarce. Personally I'm 50/50 whether this was russian false-flag or combined effort of some NATO members and Ukraine.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Russia is responsible but not alone. This war could have been prevented by not pushing Ukraine into NATO. It's THE reason for the war.

Who Caused the Ukraine War? https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/who-caused-the-ukraine-wa...

Another asset

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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Increasing armament manufacturing capacity is critical for Germany and European self-defense regardless of whether those shells go to Ukraine or just get stockpiled. Does anyone seriously think that Europe is going to avoid future warfare in a world where Russia achieves its military goals in this conflict? It's madness.

If it were critical, it would have already happened. But Germany and the EU know deep inside that this isn’t about ideology and conquest and Ukraine is a pretty unique case. On the other hand with Germany and the EU acting so tough, Russia might believe them, so some military investment is probably wise.

There's nothing unique about Ukraine. Russia has already taken action against Georgia, and will continue to destablize the eastern half of Europe. You're either aware of this or you're in denial, which Germany obviously is. (Same people who made themselves dependent on Russian gas right before the Ukraine invasion, despite every warning to the contrary.)

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That’s bullshit. I’m sorry, but I’m tired of apologists falling to Russian state lies. Falling over to Russian lies is not independent thinking. The first rule of kremnology is that Russia always lies without a shame, as lies are usefull and they incur zero cost on the liar. Russia invaded because they felt Ukraine was showing a bad example of slavic people becoming a democracy. Also Russia has always had an affinity…

> Also there is the narrative of lost colonial honor, Useful word: Revanchism [0], for people who want to conquer places they claim they once-owned. [0] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/revanchist

Also irredentism.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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What was the response?

They now the distance to the break from one end. They then use that with a map of the cable to determine the lat and long of the break and send a ship to fix it.

So, no navy involved? With such a system I would expect them to catch the perpetrator red-handed and raid their ship, etc.

Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted

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It was almost certainly used.

What was the response?

Why are you assuming that would be released publicly? The person you are discussing this with is simply informing you of the existence and availability of the technology you're asking about.
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