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Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by brokenmachine »

kortilla wrote: post #247
vitus wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would guess YouTube, being built on google's infrastructure , has powerful enough edge nodes that they stream one video stream to each edge location and the edges transcode for the clients. Ha, no, our edge nodes don't have anywhere near enough spare CPU to do transcoding on the fly. We have our own issues with livestreaming, but our system's developed differently over the past 15 years compared to Netflix's. Whi…

It also helps that youtube serves shit tier quality videos more gracefully. Everyone is used to the step down to pixel-world on youtube to the point where they don’t complain much.

I stream hours of 4k60 from youtube every day for free.

I get maybe 1m total of buffering per week, if that.

Seems uncharitable to complain about that.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by brokenmachine »

skwee357 wrote: post #401

I’m very disappointed. Woke up at 4am (EU here), to tune for the main event. Bought Netflix just for this. The women fight went good, no buffering, 4K. As it approached the time for Paul vs Tyson, it started to first drop to 140p, and then constantly buffer. Restarted my chromecast a few times, tried from laptop, and finally caught a stream on my mobile phone via mobile network rather than my wifi. The TV Netflix kep…

You should ask for a refund if that's the only reason you paid for it.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by uptownfunk »

ilaksh wrote: post #687
throwaway106382 wrote: post #681

It's incomprehensible to me that Netflix, one of the most highly skilled engineering teams in the world - completely sh*t the bed last night and provided a nearly unwatchable experience that was not even in the same league as pre-internet live broadcast from 30 years ago.

My bet is that a technical manager told his executive (multiple times) that he needed more resources and engineering time to make live work properly, and they just told him to make do because they didn't want to spend the money. It could come down to something as stupid as: Executive: "we handled [on demand show ABCD] on day one, that was XX million" Engineering: "live is really different" Executive: (arguing about w…

Hahaha this reads very close to what actually happened

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by robertlagrant »

samatman wrote: post #478
robertlagrant wrote: post #335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything's easy when it's someone else's content.

I have to assume this is some snarky way of saying "violating copyright is Bad, m'kay". Because taken at face value it's false. Any technical challenges involved in distributing a stream cannot possibly be affected by the legal status of the bits being pushed across the network.

It means that someone who spends 100% of their money on distribution is going to have an easier time than someone who pays for content and distribution.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by bobdvb »

brokenmachine wrote: post #951
kortilla wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also helps that youtube serves shit tier quality videos more gracefully. Everyone is used to the step down to pixel-world on youtube to the point where they don’t complain much.

I stream hours of 4k60 from youtube every day for free. I get maybe 1m total of buffering per week, if that. Seems uncharitable to complain about that.

Live streams have different buffering logic to video on demand. Customers watching sports will get very upset if there is a long buffer, but for a VOD playback you don't care how big the buffer is. Segment sizes are short for live and long for VOD because you need to adapt faster and keep buffers small for Live, but longer download segments are better for buffering.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by bobdvb »

jiggawatts wrote: post #793
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #778

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am one of the ones who complain about their microservices architecture quite a lot. This comes from both first-hand experience of talking to several of their directors when consulted upon on how to make certain systems of theirs better. It's not just a matter of guarantees, it's a matter of complexity. Like right now Google search is dying and there's nothing that they can do to fix it because they have given up co…

You can explain these problems with simple business metrics that technologists like to ignore. Right before the recent Twitter acquisition, the various bits of info that came to the limelight included the "minor detail" that they had more than doubled their headcount and associated expenses, but had not doubled either their revenue or profits. Technology complexity went up, the business went backwards. Thousands of p…

Yeah, try dealing with many frontends with mixed HTTP and HTTPS, it's a nightmare and won't always work. Additionally, you want security on content delivery for revenue protection reasons. The way you've massively over simplified the BSD work shows that you perhaps didn't understand what they did and why hardware offload is a good thing?

Subtitles are also complicated because you have to deal with different media player frameworks on the +40 different players you deal with. Getting those players, which you may not own, to recognise multiple sub tracks can be a PITA.

Things look simple to a junior developer, but those experience in building streaming platforms at scale know there are dragons when you get into the implementation. Sometimes developers and architects do over complicate things, but smart leaders avoid writing code, so its an assumption to say things are being made over complicated.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by bobdvb »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #930
shermantanktop wrote: post #698

Every time a big company screws up, there are two highly informed sets of people who are guaranteed to be lurking, but rarely post, in a thread like this: 1) those directly involved with the incident, or employees of the same company. They have too much to lose by circumventing the PR machine. 2) people at similar companies who operate similar systems with similar scale and risks. Those people know how hard this is a…

I'm sure 2) can post. But it won't be popular, so you'll need to dig to find it. Most people are consumers and at the end of the day, their ability to consume a (boring) match was disrupted. If this was PPV (I don't think it is) the paid extra to not get the quality of product they expected. I'm not surprised they dominate the conversation.

I am 2, I absolutely will get argued with by people who think they know better.

I'm also not going to criticise my peers because they could recognise me and I might want to work with them one day.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by MuffinFlavored »

reaperducer wrote: post #748
Thaxll wrote: post #591

In 2012 Youtube did the Red Bull stratos live stream with 8m concurrent users. We're 12 years later, Netflix fucked up.

In 2012 Youtube did the Red Bull stratos live stream with 8m concurrent users 8m vs 60m. And not in 4K. Not a great choice for comparison.

Source for Netflix pulling 60m streams to watch Tyson/Paul?
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