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#951

Do we need to allow parties to put up multiple candidates and implement ranked choice voting? would that help us with outcomes like these?

That would be cheating. See Alaska, which implemented ranked choice voting in just such a way as to keep Murkowski in her seat rather than let her be defeated.

What happened to "our democracy"? In a democracy the majority wins.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#953
post #910

US politics isn't easy to understand as an outsider. It looks like Harris was was an ok candidate for the core democrat voter and a terrible candidate to win a populist election in what is essentially a deeply divided and mostly conservative country. She didn't address the swing voters greatest concerns which was their decline in real wealth due to inflation and fear of change. I am sure money and influence had a lot…

Also the Democrat's main strategy seems to have been yell "orange man bad," over and over, while catering to the concerns of their partisan core of well-off white liberals.

I think they thought Trump was a wedge that would hand them a narrow victory without having to adapt very much.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#954
No, it is not a single thing that drove US citizen to give Trump unprecedented mandate to fix the country.

It is:

1. the selective outrage judicial system that corrupted the trust in the process , the judges and the prosecutors. Not only towards Trump, but towards his close allies and supporters

2. It it the Covid response that forced people to get vaccinated to get a job (talk about bodily autonomy)

3. It is complete disregards for immigration law, importing into US workforce, families and criminals illegally. Causing hardship to US citizens

4. It is the visible immoral US stance on using Ukrainian lives in an unwinnable territorial war, so that US could 'weaken' Russia, while also enriching the military-industrial complex

5. Yes, it is the economy (inflation, lack of stable income, where people have to work multiple jobs to pay rent and to buy food).

6. It is a complete disregard for a family unit, parental accountability and control for mental health of young kinds. Adoption of transgender surgeries for the kids, having public schools push racial self-hate, demoralizing kids identities.

7. It is support for on campus violence against american Jews.

8. It is remarkable encouragement for transgender to compete, and even violently attack (or hurt in competition) females.

9. It emboldening the South American gangs in crossing borders, child trafficking, extortion.

10. it is distrust in 2020 election process, and the judicial refusal to actually review the cases brought in front of them.

Different 'categories' of voters were deeply disturbed by different points in the above. But the collectively -- it is clear that the problem why Dems lost is exactly in their anti-constitutional, immoral policies and constant lies by the propaganda machine and their 'experts' (that Trump is guilty of something, Russian interference, mRNA is safe ... etc)

Trump received a mandate not just to address one of the above points, but to address all of them and forever through strengthening the word of the Constitution via detective, preventative and corrective controls.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#956
All this handwringing about inflation, economy etc. I think it is lot simpler:

Most people are already set on who they will vote for. Perhaps Trump supporters more so than Democrats. So, it all boils down to turnout:

1. Kamala wasn't the candidate to bring out Democrats (no primary, not a popular choice even among Democrats, selected by the DNC)

2. Trump can bring out his voters. The added advantage was a female opponent. A number of his supporter (male and female) have a pretty strong misogynistic streak. They will turn out to vote against a female opponent just because of that. I suspect a male Democratic candidate (even Biden) would have done much better (entirely driven by lower turnout of Trump supporters as they would not have been so committed against a male opponent)

This is further supported by the results of 2018 /2022 mid-terms. Trump was not on the ballot. So, Republican turnout (especially the kind that is in the cult) was impacted and Democrats had a good showing. We will see the same in 2026 (even more so as the economy will tank over the next 2 years and Democrats will come out in force). I predict a clean sweep by Democrats in 2026 perhaps even 60 Senate seats (yes, the economy will be that bad) and then the impeachment will start.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#959

Wouldn't it be amazing if we had a viable third party? I can dream, can't I?

Third parties are a bad idea for American presidential elections, and here's why:

The Electoral College + the Twelfth Amendment.

The problem: The EC requires a majority, not just a plurality, of 270 EVs. If you bring in a competitive third party, the EVs get split three ways. If no one hits 270 EVs, the presidential election goes to the House. The House also requires a majority, not just a plurality, of state delegations. If you bring in a competitive third party into the house, the state delegations get split three ways. If no one hits 26 state delegations, the House just has to keep voting, and the Speaker of the House serves as President in the meantime. Structurally, as it is, the Republicans have a major advantage in state delegations, such that if no one reaches 270 EVs, the Republicans will pick the president. This is either a bug or a feature depending on perspective, but either way it's not friendly to a third party.

The lack of solution: Ranked choice voting does not solve this. That just makes it more likely that third parties will screw up presidential elections. The NPVIC does not solve this, because our current Supreme Court would never let it take effect. A constitutional amendment will not overturn it because one of the two major parties has a structural reason to leave it in place. The Electoral College + the Twelfth Amendment are here to stay. There is no way around it.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#960
Who would have thought sneering at half the voters, taking voter groups for granted just because of their demographics, running the country with a senile out-of-touch leader (while denying this self-evident truth), replacing him at the last minute with totally bland careerist politician, basing their campaign on vibes of "joy", crying wolf, insulting the voters on the other side you instead needed to attract, and being tone-deaf on people's complains on everyday issues, while championing marginal concerns, could ever backfire!
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