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Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by [deleted] »

gkfasdfasdf wrote: post #893
marckrn wrote: post #295

OpenAI also provides a Chrome Extension ( https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/chatgpt-search/ejcf... ) to trigger a search from the omnibar as the default search engine. If you don't like that (like I do), you can also manually add it under Site Search using https://chatgpt.com/?q=%s&hints=search

How did you find the extension? Searching the Chrome Web Store for 'SearchGPT' turns up a ton of third-party extensions, not made by OpenAI. Also, there doesn't appear to be a way to search by developer.

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Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by cowpig »

hidelooktropic wrote: post #468
thefourthchime wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google's SEO almost killed the web, ChatGPT Search will finish the job.

How?

How can an economy function if there is no way to get any value from producing anything?

Google (and Facebook, a few other platforms) made it so that the vast majority of websites are never visited. ChatGPT further erodes the possibility of tying economic value to the production of that value.

Seems like we need a new framework around "intellectual property"

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by PessimalDecimal »

GuB-42 wrote: post #896
whizzter wrote: post #300

This is probably Google's Altavista moment, by making their results crappier by the year in search of Ad dollars everyone has felt that there is a potential for search to be better and once that becomes available they'll be in a continious game of catch-up. Yes, Google has their own AI divisions, tons of money and SEO is to blame for part of their crappiness. But they've also _explicitly_ focused on ad-dollars over a…

> This is probably Google's Altavista moment Yes and no. Yes for the quality of search results. Google algorithm and user experience was simply better than AltaVista's, but Google had another advantage. It used a cluster of cheap consumer-grade hardware (PCs) as its backend, rather than the expensive servers AltaVista used, in fact, AltaVista started off as a way for DEC to show off its hardware. As a result Google w…

> What it means is that barring a significant breakthrough, cheap ChatGPT-like services are simply unsustainable.

This is the basic premise of Ed Zitron's article https://www.wheresyoured.at/to-serve-altman/ and others written around the same time. A lot of what he's written seems to be coming to pass, e.g. unfathomably large investments (~$100 billion) by tech giants in OpenAI and other AI startups to keep them going. That does seem unsustainable.

Can anyone make a counterpoint to this claim? I'd be very interested to hear what a viable path to profitability looks like for OpenAI.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by levocardia »

PessimalDecimal wrote: post #953
GuB-42 wrote: post #896

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is probably Google's Altavista moment Yes and no. Yes for the quality of search results. Google algorithm and user experience was simply better than AltaVista's, but Google had another advantage. It used a cluster of cheap consumer-grade hardware (PCs) as its backend, rather than the expensive servers AltaVista used, in fact, AltaVista started off as a way for DEC to show off its hardware. As a result Google w…

> What it means is that barring a significant breakthrough, cheap ChatGPT-like services are simply unsustainable. This is the basic premise of Ed Zitron's article https://www.wheresyoured.at/to-serve-altman/ and others written around the same time. A lot of what he's written seems to be coming to pass, e.g. unfathomably large investments (~$100 billion) by tech giants in OpenAI and other AI startups to keep them goin…

Probably "every major corporation pays them a gazillion dollars a year for enterprise-class AI services that outperform humans while running at 100x speed"?

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by forbiddenvoid »

yungtriggz wrote: post #53
forbiddenvoid wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It took me about 5 minutes to figure out that Perplexity wasn't the product I needed. I'm not sure this is either, but we'll try it out just the same.

@forbiddenvoid what is the product you need?

2005 Google Search

Edit: I recognize that I may very well be in the minority, but when I use search, I am looking for sources, not answers. Everything Google has done to get in the way between me and the people who have the information I want has been a net negative from my perspective.

The interjection of AI here is just doing more of that.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by GenerocUsername »

j_heffe wrote: post #950
GolfPopper wrote: post #602

Every time I see one of these topics, I go ask chat GPT a question to which I know the answer on a topic where I would like to be able to get useful answers to similar questions that I do not know the answer to. This time it was, "Did Paul Edwin Zimmer write a fourth Dark Border novel?" (Real answer: Yes, Ingulf the Mad . You can find the answer on his Wikipedia page.[1]) ChatGPT's[2] answer: "Yes, Paul Edwin Zimmer…

My gut reaction here is that the hallucination is caused by how you [rightfully] formed the prompt. GPT has no way of reliably determining what the fourth book is, so it infers the answer based on the data provided from Wikipedia. I'll bet if you changed the prompt to "list all books by Paul Edwin Zimmer", it would be incredibly accurate and produce consistent results every time.

Its true.

I usually seed conversations with several fact-finding prompts before asking the real question I am after. It populates the chat history with the context and pre-established facts to build the real question from a much more refined position.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by DrammBA »

rany_ wrote: post #745
GolfPopper wrote: post #602

Every time I see one of these topics, I go ask chat GPT a question to which I know the answer on a topic where I would like to be able to get useful answers to similar questions that I do not know the answer to. This time it was, "Did Paul Edwin Zimmer write a fourth Dark Border novel?" (Real answer: Yes, Ingulf the Mad . You can find the answer on his Wikipedia page.[1]) ChatGPT's[2] answer: "Yes, Paul Edwin Zimmer…

ChatGPT 4o and 4o-mini with Search were able to answer this question without any issues. Maybe you didn't enable the search functionality? --------------- 4o: Yes, Paul Edwin Zimmer wrote a fourth novel in his Dark Border series titled Ingulf the Mad , published in 1989. This installment focuses on the characters Ingulf Mac Fingold and Carrol Mac Lir, detailing their meeting and acquisition of mystical swords. Notabl…

Why is it that comments complaining about flaky AI responses never share the chat link, and then invariably someone replies with examples of the AI answering correctly but also fail to share the chat link?

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by DrammBA »

GolfPopper wrote: post #602

Every time I see one of these topics, I go ask chat GPT a question to which I know the answer on a topic where I would like to be able to get useful answers to similar questions that I do not know the answer to. This time it was, "Did Paul Edwin Zimmer write a fourth Dark Border novel?" (Real answer: Yes, Ingulf the Mad . You can find the answer on his Wikipedia page.[1]) ChatGPT's[2] answer: "Yes, Paul Edwin Zimmer…

> 2. https://chatgpt.com/

Sharing the actual chat link is more useful since AI responses are non-deterministic by nature so reproducing your interaction is very difficult.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by barfingclouds »

freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

Perplexity has already been doing this for a long time and it’s pretty excellent. I use it daily
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