> "up to 1.8x faster when compared to the 16-inch MacBook Pro with M1 Pro" I insist my 2020 Macbook M1 was the best purchase I ever made
I upgraded to the M2 Air and I could have just kept the M1 Air this whole time. It was a perfect laptop.
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#952I really respect Apple's privacy focused engineering. They didn't roll out _any_ AI features until they were capable of running them locally, and before doing any cloud-based AI they designed and rolled out Private Cloud Compute. You can argue about whether it's actually bulletproof or not but the fact is, nobody else is even trying, and have lost sight of all privacy-focused features in their rush to ship anything a…
> I really respect Apple's privacy focused engineering. Everytime you launch an app, Mac OS dials home.
This is flatly incorrect.
Before you reply that it’s definitely true, I encourage you to actually look up the details of the thing you think you’re upset about.
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#953Earlier quoted context omitted.
What you see hostile to repair I see as not worth stealing. What you see as macOS dictating what you can run from where I see as an infiltration prevention.
What you see as anticompetitive payment processing on iOS, others may see friendly and harmless business model. HNers, be respectful when criticizing bigger companies like John Deere and Apple - it's important you don't hurt these customer's feelings and scare them off.
Your tractor doesn't (I would hope) contain your banking details and all your emails, contacts, browsing history, photos, etc. It deserves to be treated as the tool that it is.
Apple taking your data privacy seriously seems a worthy exception to me. You're free to disagree, and buy an Android.
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I dont think this has anything to do with the hardware. I think we have entered an age where users in general are not upgrading. As such, software can't demand more and more performance. The M1 came out at a time where mostly all hardware innovation had staggered. Default RAM in a laptop has been 16G for over 5 years. 2 years ago, you couldn't even get more than 16 in most laptops. As such, software hardware requirem…
I upgraded from the last 16" MBP Intel sold to the first 16" MBP M1 available. It is absolutely, 100%, no doubt in my mind: the hardware.
The CPU in the previous MacBook was already 4 years old. Any other CPU released with the m1, even other Intel, is comparable.
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> Apple is well on its way to ensure you can only run things they allow via app store I am totally ok with this. I have personally seen apple reject an app update and delist the app because a tiny library used within it had a recent security concerns. Forced the company to fix it.
No one is stopping you from using only the app store if you value its protection, so you need a more relevant justification to ok forcing everyone else to do so
If I had 1.4B active users I would want to mitigate the ability of almost all of them to accidentally fuck up their devices instead of worrying about irritating a few tech folk because they can’t load broken apps on it.
Re: M4 MacBook Pro
#956I really respect Apple's privacy focused engineering. They didn't roll out _any_ AI features until they were capable of running them locally, and before doing any cloud-based AI they designed and rolled out Private Cloud Compute. You can argue about whether it's actually bulletproof or not but the fact is, nobody else is even trying, and have lost sight of all privacy-focused features in their rush to ship anything a…
> to purchase a machine that feels like it really belongs to me How true is this when they devices are increasingly hostile to user repair and upgrades? MacOS also tightens the screws on what you can run and from where, or at least require more hoop jumping over time.
You can read the ifixit teardown before you buy it.
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#957The single core performance looks really fast. Chip | Geekbench Score (Process) ---- | ------------------------ M1 | 2,419 (5nm) M2 | 2,658 (5nm) M3 | 3,076 (3nm) M4* | 3,810 (3nm) In my experience, single-core CPU is the best all-around indicator of how "fast" a machine feels. I feel like Apple kind of buried this in their press release. M4 benchmark source: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/8171874
Beware that some of the Geekbench number are the result of them suddenly gaining support for streaming SVE and SME just when Apple implements it. I'm not doubting the number represent real peak throughput on M4. There is just a taste to the timing lining up so well. Also they don't take advantage of fully SVE2 capable ARM cores to compare how much a full SVE2 implementation would help especially at accelerating more…
Processor roadmaps a multi year plans, I doubt Apple aligned their roadmap to geekbench supporting SVE. More likely a happy alignment of plan(et)s.
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My one concern is that nano-texture apple displays are a little more sensitive to damage, and even being super careful with my MBPs I get the little marks from the keyboard when you carry the laptop with your hand squeezing the lid and bottom (a natural carry motion).
Put a facial tissue over keyboard before closing the lid.
A piece of paper also kind of works, but it's a bit ridiculous to constantly keep that around with you and try to reach 95% consistency. Eventually I stopped trying because it was just more infrastructure to protect the thing than I'd prefer.
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#959The single core performance looks really fast. Chip | Geekbench Score (Process) ---- | ------------------------ M1 | 2,419 (5nm) M2 | 2,658 (5nm) M3 | 3,076 (3nm) M4* | 3,810 (3nm) In my experience, single-core CPU is the best all-around indicator of how "fast" a machine feels. I feel like Apple kind of buried this in their press release. M4 benchmark source: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/8171874
It's kinda true but also not at all.
In general, having better single thread performance means a more reactive UI and snappier feeling because blocking operation gets executed more quickly. On the other hand, many modern software having been extremely optimized for multi-threading and not all categories of software benefit that much from faster UI thread. If parallelization isn't too expansive, throwing more core at something can make it actually faster.
And the big thing you leave out is that it all depends on how well the software is optimise, how much animations it use and things like that. My iPhone has MUCH better single-thread performance than my old PC, yet it feels much slower for almost everything.
And this is exactly how I feel about Apple Silicon Macs. On paper, impressive performance. In actual practice it doesn't feel that fast.
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#960Earlier quoted context omitted.
Of course I wish the hardware were somehow more open, but to a large extent, it's directly because of hardware based privacy features. If you allowed third-party components without restraint, there'd be no way to prevent someone swapping out a component. Lock-in and planned obsolescence are also factors, and ones I'm glad the EU (and others) are pushing back here. But it isn't as if there are no legitimate tradeoffs.…
> to a large extent, it's directly because of hardware based privacy features. First, this is 100% false. Second, security through obscurity is almost universally discouraged and considered bad practice.
Where did you come up with “ security through obscurity ” in that previous commment? It said nothing about using an obscurity measure. He was talking about hardware based privacy features.