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Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI

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beepbooptheory wrote: post #822
Johanx64 wrote: post #775

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Humans are obviously machines. If not, what are humans then? Fairies? Now once you've recognized that, you're better equiped for task at hand - which is augmenting and ultimately automating away every task that humans-as-machines perform by building equivalent or better machine that performs said tasks at fraction of the cost! People who want to exploit humans are the ones that oppose automation. There's still long w…

Profoundly spiritual take. Why is that the task at hand? The conceit that humans are machines carries with it such powerful ideology: humans are for something, we are some kind of utility, not just things in themselves, like birds and rocks. How is it anything other than an affirmation of metaphysical/theological purpose to particularly humans? Why is it like that? This must be coming from a religious context, right?…

Where's the spiritual part?

Recognizing that humans, just like birds are self-replicating biological machines is the most level-headed way of looking at it.

It is consistent with observations and there are no (apparent) contraditions.

The spritual beliefs are the ones with the fairies, binding of the soul, made of special substrate, beyond reason and understanding.

If you have desire to improve human condition (not everyone does) then the task at hand naturally arisies - eliminate forced labour, aging, disease, suffering, death, etc.

This all naturally leads to automation and transhumanism.

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Post by llm_trw »

Sateeshm wrote: post #539
llm_trw wrote: post #536

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One of my friends put it best: I just did a months worth of experimentation in two hours.

I find this hard to believe. Can someone give me an example of something that takes months that AI can correctly do in hours?

Use Undermind to gather a literature review of a field adjacent to the one you’re working in but with a wealth of information that you don’t yet know.

Use OpenAI to convert a few thousand lines of code from a language you're familiar with to one you’re not, as all the state-of-the-art tools in the field above use that language. Debug all the issues that arise from the impedance mismatch between the languages. Recreate the results from the seminal paper in the field to verify that the code works, and run it on your own problem. Write a stream-of-consciousness post without spell-checking, then throw it into GPT and ask it to fix it.

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Post by llm_trw »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #556
llm_trw wrote: post #534

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Blockchain was always a solution looking for a problem. LLMs are being used right now by a lot of people, myself included, to do tasks which we would have never bothered with before. Again, if you don't know how to use them you can learn.

And the same was said with the last fad when Blockcbain was all investors wanted to hear about ("Big Data" I suppose). It's all a pattern. It's a legal nightmare in my domain as of now, so I'll make sure the Sam Breaker-Friends are weeded out. If it's really all the hype it won't be going anywhere in 5 years.

It's been 5 years since GPT2. I'm really struggling to understand the amount of negativity towards the biggest breakthrough in computing since the WWW.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

llm_trw wrote: post #953
johnnyanmac wrote: post #556

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And the same was said with the last fad when Blockcbain was all investors wanted to hear about ("Big Data" I suppose). It's all a pattern. It's a legal nightmare in my domain as of now, so I'll make sure the Sam Breaker-Friends are weeded out. If it's really all the hype it won't be going anywhere in 5 years.

It's been 5 years since GPT2. I'm really struggling to understand the amount of negativity towards the biggest breakthrough in computing since the WWW.

If you're unaware of the general mood towards big tech in the 2020's, the downward trend of the economy, extreme speculation in all the tech sector over AI (which again, is not new), and the dozens of ethical quandries towards the methods of how LLMs obtain their data set, then yes. I can see why you're struggling to understand. There's so much literature on each point that I will only implore you to research these things on your own time if you care to.

In a purely technical vacuum though: it is truly amazing tech. I will give it that. Although it both excites and alarms me that apparently the power output predicted to properly leverage this at scale is having tech companies consider an investment in nuclear power.

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Post by toviahudson5 »

skrebbel wrote: post #127

To my experience, AIs can generate perfectly good code relatively easy things, the kind you might as well copy&paste from stackoverflow, and they'll very confidently generate subtly wrong code for anything that's non-trivial for an experienced programmer to write. How do people deal with this? I simply don't understand the value proposition. Does Google now have 25% subtly wrong code? Or do they have 25% trivial code…

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Post by int_19h »

maleldil wrote: post #947
int_19h wrote: post #402

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LLMs can count words (and letters) just fine if you train them to do so. Consider the fact that GPT-4 can generate valid XML (meaning balanced tags, quotes etc) in base64-encoded form. Without CoT, just direct output.

That's GPT-4, which you wouldn't use for in-line suggestions because it's too slow. I don't know what model Copilot uses these days, but it constantly makes bracket mistakes in Python.

You don't need a GPT-4-sized model to count brackets. You just need to make sure that your training data includes enough cases like that for NN to learn it. My point is that GPT-4 can do much more complicated things than that, so there's nothing specific about LMs that preclude them from doing this kind of stuff right.

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Post by mdavid626 »

rty32 wrote: post #795
lupire wrote: post #744

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That's fine for your quick hack that is probably a reimplementation of an existing program you can't find. But it's not a production quality implementation of new need.

True, but hey, even if it's not production code, it may be an ad-hoc thing that never gets push to production, it may be code reviewed by C++ experts and improved to production quality. At very least, someone saved four days with it, and could use the time for something, maybe something they are expert at. Isn't that still good?

Most of the time saving time is just an illusion. When that code will needed to be changed, people will spend more than 4 days debugging and understanding it. The mental model of it was written by AI. It can make sense or not at all. You’ll figure it out after 4 days.
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