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Not "everywhere", as an European that grew up in a big city (Paris) that's unthinkable.

That's a really surprising example. Paris has nearly identical crime level to San Francisco. From personal experience, I did not feel particularly safe in Paris when visiting (compared to e.g. Berlin). Moreover, Paris has several neighborhoods and suburbs that are very unsafe and most people avoid going there. One could say Tenderloin in SF has a similar reputation, but it's very small and easy to avoid.

I was talking only about shootings. But if we are comparing anecdotes regarding your example I happened to also live in one of these unsafe suburbs, and visiting LA, SF or Chicago and getting in the wrong neighborhood seemed order of magnitude less safe. Gangs are not armed, you don’t hear gunshots at night or people screaming in the city center, and you don’t encounter aggressive drug addicts. All of this never happened to me in decades in Paris but did in one trip to the these US cities.

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4Chan was run by like one guy using the change he found in the cushions of his couch. Getting the pixels on people's screens is the easy part. Keeping the Nazis and bots at bay is the expensive part. You have to do the latter if you want to keep the advertisers on your site, which is why X switched to a more for-pay model and still loses money hand over fist. Being able to pay to have your voice amplified has been a…

I much prefer the Twitter of today. Since I'm a grown adult, I can handle some mean words being seen by my eyes, and just ignoring what I don't like. It's nice seeing a balance of both sides of an argument now, rather than only seeing the left biased information.

I was a big Reddit user back in 2015/16 and also spent a lot of time in the NPR comments. Watching the insanity around the 2016 election in real time was an interesting experience. The mass suppression on Reddit and NPR shutting their comment section down was enough to form my opinion on this whole thing.

That being said, I've enjoyed it since the takeover. It still seems very similar to what it used to be, but feels very much like I'm seeing it from both ends now. For every crazy right leaning comment there are plenty of crazy leftists that counter, and vice versa.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Have you been to Twitter's SF site? It is a weird place, between super sketchy and plainly empty, what is missing is the peace of mind, definitely a valid reason to leave. It has all the downsides from being in the downtown, while none of the perks remain in today's SF. Talent pool isn't a real issue for Twitter now, under Elon, I don't think they truly prioritize Twitter over any of his other companies, the mission…

I think it’s inaccurate to say that they don’t need talent to keep the lights on at Twitter. Maybe not a lot of new architectural development is happening, but you definitely need a lot of ops people that know what they’re doing to keep the lights on there.

Elon had outsourced majority of Ops work, there are about 20% of employees left in the Bay last I checked from news.

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> There is a famous paper about the location of company headquarters: they get as close as possible to the residence of company CEOs. Boeing. That's what killed Boeing - moving HQ from the factory in Renton, WA to Chicago. Boeing has no plants anywhere near Chicago. But Dave Calhoun, the previous CEO lived in Chicago. He previously was the head of Nielsen, the TV ratings and marketing company, which has been in Chica…

The move to Chicago was made by Condit. Ostensibly it was just a cover to stay far away from the wife while he kept his mistress shacked up at the HQ.

Oh, right. That was around the time of the strange merger with McDonnell Douglas. Somehow, the finance people from McDonnell Douglas ended up in charge. That didn't go well.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Isn't van ness station closer to Twitter?

If he was going via BART, Van Ness doesn’t have a BART station. If he was going via MUNI, technically yes but not by a lot.

Oh wow, my bad. I thought there was a BART station down there. (I used to be a regular muni rider, not a regular bart rider).

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Had a recruiter call with Twitter a few months ago. Mandatory in office 5 days per week. Among other things, an hour commute both ways to work was not acceptable. Maybe they will have better luck in Santa Clara. I don’t buy any of the flamebait reasons for leaving SF. Reason 1 is money and reason 2 is talent pool.

Have you been to Twitter's SF site? It is a weird place, between super sketchy and plainly empty, what is missing is the peace of mind, definitely a valid reason to leave. It has all the downsides from being in the downtown, while none of the perks remain in today's SF. Talent pool isn't a real issue for Twitter now, under Elon, I don't think they truly prioritize Twitter over any of his other companies, the mission…

It appears they're trying to change the platform to be more of a media and payments platform. That requires talent.

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You think the engineers at Tesla and SpaceX, who have created jaw dropping technical marvels, don’t respect themselves? I’m not saying Musk isn’t an asshole, I don’t know him. And I’m willing to guess you don’t either. But it’s real hard to argue that his companies haven’t done amazing engineering results.

Two companies where they make sure Elon just plays with the unplugged controls and keep the adults in charge (well, I guess they let him have the Cybertruck - with predictable results) Not the case at Twitter Still I probably wouldn't do the amount of overtime they require of workers at SpaceX and Tesla

Do you have any first hand (or even secondhand) knowledge of Elon's involvement in engineering at Tesla and SpaceX, or are we speaking strictly in terms of your imagination or projection what you think happens? Having watched a few long form interviews with Elon regarding the engineering and construction of Starship, I'm fairly confident he is involved in the engineering. But I haven't talked to actual SpaceX engineers, so discount that as you will.

With respect to Twitter, perhaps the engineers drawn to work there are interested in the future vision for the company and the engineering that such a vision will entail. Not to mention, even in its current state, it is a global social media company with 100s of millions of users that I'm certain presents interesting engineering challenges. What cutting edge, successful tech are you working on that makes you so willing to disparage the work of Twitter engineers as "not self respecting"?

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I wish I understood what you're getting at, because Google does not consider it's employees at all at this point, it's late stage capitalism sweetie. Is there a point, can you clarify?

Sweetie, it's not that hard, google considered them before . P.S. Late stage capitalism === Early stage communism

> Late stage capitalism === Early stage communism

How so? Will you please indulge me you explain this a little?

Genuinely curious.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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This is why return to office is such a joke. It’s really “return to the office near where the CEO lives or lived at one time” Like if Tim Cook decided to move to Alabama that’s where Apple Park would be So dumb

>Like if Tim Cook decided to move to Alabama that’s where Apple Park would be What a dumb take. Tim Cook lives in California because Apple was founded there over 40 years ago. And Apple will stay in California because most of the talent Apple needs to succeed is already there. And since Apple will stay in California so will their CEO. You must be on some really good shrooms to think Apple will uproot itself just to m…

While this is true, it's also funny to note that Apple was only founded in South Bay because Jobs and Wozniak wanted to be close to their families. There was already talent in the region, but the origin of that talent started the same way. Shockley (of Shockley Semiconductor and traitorous eight fame) moved the company from LA to South Bay to take care of his mother [1]. Silicon Valley is only Silicon Valley because of "I want to be with my parents" decisions.

[1] https://community.cadence.com/cadence_blogs_8/b/breakfast-by...

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Had a recruiter call with Twitter a few months ago. Mandatory in office 5 days per week. Among other things, an hour commute both ways to work was not acceptable. Maybe they will have better luck in Santa Clara. I don’t buy any of the flamebait reasons for leaving SF. Reason 1 is money and reason 2 is talent pool.

Musk runs Twitter like a dictator. The first and only reason is whatever Musk felt like. Twitter was imperically a terrible financial decision. It seems like a bold statement to say the #1 is de facto money. I suspect non-money issues are much higher on the list. If anyone on the planet doesn't need more money, it's Musk.

TBF, Elon has been running his other companies like he is running Twitter. Also, isn't it his prerogative to run his companies however he pleases as he is the CEO? If the shareholders are not happy with it, they can push him out.
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