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The 256gb and 512gb models have 8gb of ram. The 1tb and 2tb models have 16gb. Not a fan of tying ram to storage. https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/specs/

If these things will ever get MacOS support it will be useless with 8 GB of Ram. Such a waste of nice components.

Is the base M1 Macbook Air "useless"?

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

#952

The 256gb and 512gb models have 8gb of ram. The 1tb and 2tb models have 16gb. Not a fan of tying ram to storage. https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/specs/

The iPod classic had 160 GB of storage fifteen years ago. No device should be measuring storage in the gigabytes in 2024. Let alone starting at $1000 offering only 256GB. What ridiculousness.

I agree, the new iPad should have a spinning platter hard drive.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

#953

The 256gb and 512gb models have 8gb of ram. The 1tb and 2tb models have 16gb. Not a fan of tying ram to storage. https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/specs/

> 8gb of ram. WTF? Why so little? That's insane to me, that's the amount of RAM you get with a mid-range android phone.

Is a Pixel 8 a mid-range Android phone? Mine shipped with 8GB of RAM, and even with my frankly insane Chrome habits (I'm currently sitting at around 200 tabs) I'm only using about five and half gigabytes, and it runs a hell of a lot smoother than other phones with more RAM that I've used.

There's absolutely nothing a mobile device does that should require that much memory. That shitty OEMs bloat the hell out of their ROMs and slap on more memory to match isn't a good thing or something to emulate in my opinion.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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Didn't have to look long to find a comment mirroring how I feel about these devices. To me it feels like they're just adding power to an artificially castrated device I can barely do anything with. See no reason to upgrade from my original iPad Pro that's not really useful for anything. Just an overpowered device running phone software.

"device I can barely do anything with" -> Apple can do anything with iPads, but we - regular SW developers - are cut off... :)

Software developers are not the only professionals to exist, and are far from being the market for tablets of all things.

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Welcome to being old! Watch a 20-year old creative work on an iPad and you will quickly change your mind. Watch someone who has, "never really used a desktop, [I] just use an iPad" work in Procreate or LumaFusion. The iPad has amazing software. Better, in many ways, than desktop alternatives if you know how to use it. There are some things they can't do, and the workflow can be less flexible or full featured in some…

> Welcome to being old! This has nothing to do with age. I have an iPad Pro that I barely use because it has been designed for use cases that I just don't have. I don't do any digital art, don't take handwritten notes, and don't need to scan and/or mark up documents very often. I don't edit photos or videos often enough to need a completely separate device for the task. I mostly use my computers for software developm…

It's okay. It happens to all of us.

Re: Apple introduces M4 chip

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The iPod classic had 160 GB of storage fifteen years ago. No device should be measuring storage in the gigabytes in 2024. Let alone starting at $1000 offering only 256GB. What ridiculousness.

I agree, the new iPad should have a spinning platter hard drive.

If 15 years of technological progress can’t find it cost effective to fit more than 256gb of solid state storage in a $1000 device, then what are we even doing here?

A 1 TB consumer-oriented SSD is about $50 today. At Apple’s manufacturing scale, do you have any doubt that the cost to them is nearly negligible?

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Together with next-generation ML accelerators in the CPU, the high-performance GPU, and higher-bandwidth unified memory, the Neural Engine makes M4 an outrageously powerful chip for AI. In case it is not abundantly clear by now: Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending dat…

Privacy can actually be reduced with on-device ai too. Now, without actually sending any data to iCloud apple can still have a general idea of what you’re doing. Imagine a state has a law that makes certain subjects illegal to discuss. They could compel apple to have their local AI detect that content and then to broadcast a ping in the AirTags network about the user and their location. No internet connection required on the target.

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The entire software stack is non-free and closed-source. This means you'd be taking Apple at their word on "privacy". Do you trust Apple? I wouldn't, given their track record.

What track record?

Just install little snitch and you'll see how MUCH gets sent back to the mothership. and that is just macos.

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> In case it is not abundantly clear by now: Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. This is completely coherent with their privacy-first strategy (which would be at odds with sending data up to the cloud for processing). Their primary business goal is to sell hardware. Yes, they’ve diversified into services and being a shopping mall for all, but it is about selling lu…

When I was at Apple for a short time, there was a small joke I hear from the ex-amazonians there who would say "What's the difference between an Apple software engineer and an Amazon software engineer? The Amazon engineer will spin up a new service on AWS. An Apple engineer will spin up a new app". Or something along those lines. I forget the exact phrasing. It was a joke that Apple's expertise is in on-device featur…

What would a Google engineer do? Write a design doc or sunset a service?

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>Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices. Apple's AI strategy is to put inference (and longer term even learning) on edge devices...only for Apple stuff. There is a big difference. ANE right now is next to useless for anything not Apple.

I think that’s going to change with WWDC

Nah. Apple doesn't have incentive to provide any more dev power. It will keep things locked down and charge people for Apple branded software products. That has been their business for the past decade.
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