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Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by VladTheImpalor »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #948
pg_1234 wrote: post #874

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU should make a public service announcement. Something along the lines of: "We urge all EU citizens with Apple devices to have an alternate means of accessing critical internet services like banking, to protect themselves in the event we are forced to block all Apple services EU-wide for legal non-compliance." ... then watch AAPL stock drop below NVDA ... ... and Apple come crawling back, suitably obedient.

or more likely learn extremely quickly that their citizens prefer their iPhones to their politicians, there would be protests within the hour if they ever blocked iPhones. Weird to me how common it has become in the last 5 years for people to gleefully cheer for tyranny and control.

You mean the tyranny and control of Apple? With their removing headphone jack, lightning cable, walled garden and all that?

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by no_time »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #948
pg_1234 wrote: post #874

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU should make a public service announcement. Something along the lines of: "We urge all EU citizens with Apple devices to have an alternate means of accessing critical internet services like banking, to protect themselves in the event we are forced to block all Apple services EU-wide for legal non-compliance." ... then watch AAPL stock drop below NVDA ... ... and Apple come crawling back, suitably obedient.

or more likely learn extremely quickly that their citizens prefer their iPhones to their politicians, there would be protests within the hour if they ever blocked iPhones. Weird to me how common it has become in the last 5 years for people to gleefully cheer for tyranny and control.

Yes, the tyranny of... forcing Apple to open up its walled garden. I am cheering for that and more. Mandate open bootloaders. Mandate user installed EK (Endorsement Key) on all TCB enabled devices.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by xvector »

account42 wrote: post #916
xvector wrote: post #775

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Obviously Apple doesn't hold the EU's values in high regard (few people in the Bay or even the US do), so of course they will try to fight it. It's perfectly rational and even expected behavior.

And it's perfectily rational for the EU to take appropriate actions against companies that hold its values in contempt. Apple should expect that and temper their contempt accordingly if they intend on continuing to do business here.

There is nothing the EU can do to stop big tech from doing business in the EU unless it wants to spark a trade war between itself and the US.

The EU is completely and utterly dependent on US technology and protection, so the measures it take can only go so far.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by no_time »

goblin89 wrote: post #449

As a user, I cannot recommend iPhone to my older relatives if there is a way to run arbitrary code beyond Safari’s JS sandbox. Simple as that. It is a nuanced question with a computer[0], but for a phone (increasingly used for more important transactions and sensitive private data by people more naive when it comes to security) it is simply a no-brainer. Unless cyber crime is prosecuted as robustly as robberies, I wa…

> As a user, I cannot recommend iPhone to my older relatives if there is a way to run arbitrary code beyond Safari’s JS sandbox. Simple as that.

This is a false dichotomy made in bad faith. You can have open computers and security for those who you wish to infantilize. Chromebooks for example have physical write protect screw inside to do exactly this: https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Remove+the+Write+Protect+Screw/...

I fully expect the company that engineered the Vision Pro to come up with something like this if they wanted to. But they choose to spread FUD to continue collecting rent on the appstore instead.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by monocularvision »

epaulson wrote: post #648
Ballas wrote: post #6

I just want to be able to install my own apps on my own device without paying $99/year (and with a signature that lasts a reasonable amount of time). Sadly, this doesn't seem to allow for that.

I'd even be willing to pay the $99 a year, I just want the signature to last longer than a week, ideally forever. For years when I don't feel like updating the app, I won't pay the developer membership fee.

If you pay the $99, the cert don’t expire for a year. It is only the free account that has the 7-day limitation.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

VladTheImpalor wrote: post #951
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #948

Earlier quoted context omitted.

or more likely learn extremely quickly that their citizens prefer their iPhones to their politicians, there would be protests within the hour if they ever blocked iPhones. Weird to me how common it has become in the last 5 years for people to gleefully cheer for tyranny and control.

You mean the tyranny and control of Apple? With their removing headphone jack, lightning cable, walled garden and all that?

A product you consent to is hardly the same as the government cutting off the ability to use your phone and it sounds very silly to compare the two.

By no means do I agree with the walled garden, I just think cheering for such an absurd idea of the government disabling your phone to fight something most users don't even understand or care about is bizarre.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by smoldesu »

capr wrote: post #891
fennecbutt wrote: post #815

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Why are you defending a trillion dollar company lmao? Why do you care so much that Apple has been forced to give consumers more choice, you can still just use the app store yourself, nobody is forcing you to use apps from alternative stores. This is the standard "one true religion" reaction imo.

maybe because forcing people or companies (property of people) is wrong?

Are you familiar with the history of antitrust intervention and the laundry-list of real-life examples that proves you wrong?

https://competition-policy.ec.europa.eu/antitrust-and-cartel...

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by smoldesu »

endisneigh wrote: post #947
berkes wrote: post #934

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> There’s literally nothing stopping There's literally apple stopping that. By limiting APIs, by removing the ability to treat them as other apps (home screen icons), by blocking apps that are hybrids etc.

You don’t need any of that to distribute a web app and thus make money.

Strictly speaking, you don't need to distribute anything more than ads to "thus make money" off a webapp. The end-goal of webapps is not to challenge Apple's revenue though, it's to offer meaningful (see: persistent) capabilities that write-once and ship-anywhere.

You're being a reductive troll. Stop making bad-faith arguments if that's the only way you intend to contribute to the discussion.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by mthoms »

sjm wrote: post #411
mthoms wrote: post #257

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Access to gaming is not critical to participation in a modern economy. Whereas a phone gives you access to banking, government services, medical services, emergency services, education, information, news, wayfinding(GPS), shopping (especially if you live somewhere remote) are just some examples of things people do with their phones. And that's not just some people, like 80-90% of all people. It's not the same.

Are any of those things impossible without sideloading or the DMA? Those things will only be riskier on your phone with all the malware that will undoubtedly spread throughout fully open marketplaces. I really do not want my mom accidentally installing her "Chase Bank" app from www.chazebank.cc.

The post I responded to was asking why Nintendo (and similar) shouldn't face the same regulation. Despite you point being mostly off topic I'll humour you.

Since what's possible or impossible is the only options you've given me, Is it "impossible" for your mom to just do all her banking in person or over the phone? The phone works perfectly fine.

See how that sounds?

Anyways, having a central gatekeeper to all those essential services is not optimal from an economic or technical perspective. (Again, notice I said "not optimal" even though you created the false alternative of "not impossible").

Your concerns about malware are valid. Or at least as much as they are valid on MacOS. Which is to say - somewhat, but not enough in the balance of things.

And yes, I have elderly parents too. I plan to continue educating them.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by epaulson »

monocularvision wrote: post #955
epaulson wrote: post #648

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd even be willing to pay the $99 a year, I just want the signature to last longer than a week, ideally forever. For years when I don't feel like updating the app, I won't pay the developer membership fee.

If you pay the $99, the cert don’t expire for a year. It is only the free account that has the 7-day limitation.

Oh, awesome. I'm glad to discover I was wrong about that!
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