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Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by jjmarr »

randmeerkat wrote: post #944
throwaway2990 wrote: post #938

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MS threw in the towel unfortunately. Now we are stuck with Apple and trash. People desperately cling onto this false ideology that Android is good and Apple is bad when they are at fault for ignoring Windows Phone which was better with their excuses that “I need thousands is fart apps or I can’t use windows phone”

> MS threw in the towel unfortunately. I’m surprised Microsoft isn’t making a second go for a phone actually. With all of their WSL work, they could release a Linux / Windows phone and say this is like the original PC, but also a phone, install what you want on it, and also it integrates seamlessly with Azure for power users that want to program on their phone, and also integrates with AD for Microsoft enterprises fo…

I'm typing this on my Microsoft Surface Duo 2. It's the best phone I've ever had for actual work. It's not all your describing, but the fact you don't know about it goes to show how far behind Microsoft is at marketing their tech.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by robertlagrant »

randmeerkat wrote: post #944
throwaway2990 wrote: post #938

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MS threw in the towel unfortunately. Now we are stuck with Apple and trash. People desperately cling onto this false ideology that Android is good and Apple is bad when they are at fault for ignoring Windows Phone which was better with their excuses that “I need thousands is fart apps or I can’t use windows phone”

> MS threw in the towel unfortunately. I’m surprised Microsoft isn’t making a second go for a phone actually. With all of their WSL work, they could release a Linux / Windows phone and say this is like the original PC, but also a phone, install what you want on it, and also it integrates seamlessly with Azure for power users that want to program on their phone, and also integrates with AD for Microsoft enterprises fo…

Power users that want to program on their phone? That sounds like Ballmer-level thinking on mobile.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by throwaway2990 »

mschuster91 wrote: post #942
throwaway2990 wrote: post #938

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MS threw in the towel unfortunately. Now we are stuck with Apple and trash. People desperately cling onto this false ideology that Android is good and Apple is bad when they are at fault for ignoring Windows Phone which was better with their excuses that “I need thousands is fart apps or I can’t use windows phone”

> when they are at fault for ignoring Windows Phone which was better Hell no it wasn't. The UI/UX was a complete unmitigated disaster, the choice of device models was ... very limited, and barely anyone made apps for it, much less games, with Microsoft not doing nearly enough to woo developers over. Apple and Android, in contrast, had a decent UI/UX, healthy app stores, and Android a wide ranging hardware selection f…

The UX was superior to Android and iOS. All the main apps were available. But people couldn’t live without their fart apps and all the junk in Android store.

Main issue was MS couldn’t release flagship phones world wide. Their flagship phone showed up in Asia 13 months after release. No one is going to wait year to get a flagship outdated phone.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by stephenr »

randmeerkat wrote: post #944
throwaway2990 wrote: post #938

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MS threw in the towel unfortunately. Now we are stuck with Apple and trash. People desperately cling onto this false ideology that Android is good and Apple is bad when they are at fault for ignoring Windows Phone which was better with their excuses that “I need thousands is fart apps or I can’t use windows phone”

> MS threw in the towel unfortunately. I’m surprised Microsoft isn’t making a second go for a phone actually. With all of their WSL work, they could release a Linux / Windows phone and say this is like the original PC, but also a phone, install what you want on it, and also it integrates seamlessly with Azure for power users that want to program on their phone, and also integrates with AD for Microsoft enterprises fo…

> With all of their WSL work, they could release a Linux / Windows phone

I don't think "we need to run a VM with a distinct OS to have a chance of being successful" is really a great basis for building a mobile phone.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by randmeerkat »

robertlagrant wrote: post #952
randmeerkat wrote: post #944

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> MS threw in the towel unfortunately. I’m surprised Microsoft isn’t making a second go for a phone actually. With all of their WSL work, they could release a Linux / Windows phone and say this is like the original PC, but also a phone, install what you want on it, and also it integrates seamlessly with Azure for power users that want to program on their phone, and also integrates with AD for Microsoft enterprises fo…

Power users that want to program on their phone? That sounds like Ballmer-level thinking on mobile.

> Power users that want to program on their phone? That sounds like Ballmer-level thinking on mobile.

Even if you could plug a monitor, keyboard, and mouse into your phone..? Just like you can with a Steam Deck..

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by randmeerkat »

jjmarr wrote: post #951
randmeerkat wrote: post #944

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> MS threw in the towel unfortunately. I’m surprised Microsoft isn’t making a second go for a phone actually. With all of their WSL work, they could release a Linux / Windows phone and say this is like the original PC, but also a phone, install what you want on it, and also it integrates seamlessly with Azure for power users that want to program on their phone, and also integrates with AD for Microsoft enterprises fo…

I'm typing this on my Microsoft Surface Duo 2. It's the best phone I've ever had for actual work. It's not all your describing, but the fact you don't know about it goes to show how far behind Microsoft is at marketing their tech.

Yeah, this is the first time I’ve even heard of it, it looks great though.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by TillE »

warkdarrior wrote: post #947
rdtsc wrote: post #943

> "Apple is retaliating against Epic for speaking out against Apple’s unfair and illegal practices, just as they’ve done to other developers time and time again," Epic said in its statement today. The retaliation is shady, but is the retaliation illegal? Even if a whistleblower would show an Apple internal conversation that looks like "Let's retaliate against Epic", the fine print everyone probably has some "we can t…

DMA requires that (stated informally) large enough online marketplaces do not retaliate against developers or users without a good cause.

The DMA requires that companies like Apple provide fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory access for competition.

The account is really neither here nor there, it's only an issue because Apple has chosen to make it a requirement to distribute an app marketplace. It's pretty clear that they can't legally freeze out Epic as a competitor, but how they solve that is up to them.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by rdtsc »

warkdarrior wrote: post #947
rdtsc wrote: post #943

> "Apple is retaliating against Epic for speaking out against Apple’s unfair and illegal practices, just as they’ve done to other developers time and time again," Epic said in its statement today. The retaliation is shady, but is the retaliation illegal? Even if a whistleblower would show an Apple internal conversation that looks like "Let's retaliate against Epic", the fine print everyone probably has some "we can t…

DMA requires that (stated informally) large enough online marketplaces do not retaliate against developers or users without a good cause.

That's good to hear. Let's hope a whistleblower would step up then, because it looks an awful lot like retaliation.

Re: Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS

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Post by makeitdouble »

willsmith72 wrote: post #948

I'm so glad a big player is pushing Apple's buttons, but I do wish they didn't have the Tencent, and thus Chinese government, ownership stake. There's just always going to be a trust issue there

Bringing up the Chinese government card is weird in this specific fight.

Epic could get away with moving their shares from Tencent to somewhere else, Apple can't move their core manufacturing from China to anywhere else.

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