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The African Nazi was amusing.

Maybe it was drawing from the couple thousand North African troops that fought for the Wehrmacht: https://allthatsinteresting.com/free-arabian-legion

I knew that someone would find something like this, they're not wearing the traditional Nazi uniform like in the photo.

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> In case you weren't aware (or "woke") enough to know the truth, there are already some extremely heavy fingers on the other side of the scale when it comes to training AI. So why shouldn't they have their finger on the scale to make it more balanced? Because this is a lie. It's not balanced, it's a full tilt in the opposite direction. The bullied become the bullies. Most people are centrists who do want actual equa…

That's a load of racist bullshit. Stop listening to and parroting Tucker Carlson.

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> If the focus of Google's technology is identity rather than reality, it is inevitable that they will be surpassed. They're trailing 5 or so years behind Disney who also placed DEI over producing quality entertainment and their endless stream of flops reflects that. South Park even mocked them about that ("put a black chick in it and make her lame and gay"). Can't wait for Gemini and Google to flop as well since nob…

Fortune 500s are laughably insincere and hamfisted in how they do DEI. But these types of comments feel like schadenfreude towards the "woke moralist mind-virus" But lets be real here ... DEI is a good thing when done well. How are you going to talk to the customer when they are speaking a different cultural language. Even form a purely capitalist perspective, having a diverse workforce means you can target more mark…

DEI should grow naturally.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Fortune 500s are laughably insincere and hamfisted in how they do DEI. But these types of comments feel like schadenfreude towards the "woke moralist mind-virus" But lets be real here ... DEI is a good thing when done well. How are you going to talk to the customer when they are speaking a different cultural language. Even form a purely capitalist perspective, having a diverse workforce means you can target more mark…

DEI should grow naturally.

That's a bit like saying that if you want to sail from Europe to America, you should jump in a boat and let the wind take you there naturally. Don't touch the sails.

The entire hypothesis behind a formal DEI program -- whether or not you agree with it -- is that DEI doesn't happen naturally. Humans tend to gravitate toward (I.E. hire) people similar to themselves for various reasons, and that has to be purposely shifted if the organization is aiming for diversity. If they don't care where they end up, that's a different story.

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> A Swedish blonde ? yes Irish red-head ? yes A French brunette ? yes A Southern Italian ? yes A Lebanese ? no An Irianian ? no A Berber ? no A Morrocan ? no A Russian ? yes A Palestinian no, A Greek yes, A Turk no, An Arab ? no > You might quibble with a few of them but you might also (classic example) quibble over the exact definition of "chair". This is only the case if you substitute "white" with "European", whic…

Ya it's hard to be sure that when people express disdain and/or hatred of "white" people that they are or aren't including arabs. /rolleyes

> Ya it's hard to be sure that when people express disdain and/or hatred of "white" people that they are or aren't including arabs. /rolleyes

It depends on where those people expressing their disdain/hatred are, and their own cultural views on who is considered to be 'white'. In Russia, for example, white supremacists do not accept Caucasians as white, and they may be targeted with hate crimes.

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Well, it's not crazy extremist to say that there is a woke cult out there that hates white people, and wants to systematically suppress them. The same people ironically claim to be oppressed by white people as every major corporation and liberal politician lines up to do their bidding.

Someone being well-off, having power/wealth/influence, can still be a victim of racism and social marginalization. There's no irony or contradiction there.

Yes of course! If you think not, you have no imagination. You can be a victim of crime, disproportionately taxed, pushed out of your job over bullshit, not hired, hated by a lot of people for simply existing, treated unfairly in court. All because your race is blamed for everything. You don't have to lose it all to experience racism. You could get sucker punched in the street by someone with racial motives. Look up "Knockout Game" to see how black kids actually do that.

I hate to bring up the Jews, but they are a classic group that fits the description. Arguably wealthier than average but blamed for everything by some people. Certainly nobody would deny they are facing racism. The leftists who call everyone Nazis are terrorizing innocent Jews around the country right now.

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Eek @ that page. This is the "latinx" situation all over again. "Damos as boas vindas" ("(we) bid you welcome"), while syntactically correct, sounds weird to portuguese speakers. The language has masculine and feminine words (often with -o and -a endings). For example, you say "bem vindo" to a male (be it an adult or a kid), "bem vinda" to a female (likewise). When you address a collective, the male version is genera…

Interesting, in Italian it's a bit formal but perfectly acceptable ("vi diamo il benvenuto..."). It's something you might hear at the beginning of a theatre play, or perhaps in the audio guide of a museum.

To be faaair, it is not wrong per se, it's just something you would never hear coming from an actual person who is addressing you.

A shoopkeeper _might_ say "bem vindo" ("welcome"), even though that would be hella corny (we usually open with "hello/good morning/evening/whatever"). They would never say "lhe dou as boas vindas" (singular form of "(lhe) dou(damos) as boas vindas").

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is it even true that most software engineers are white and male? We're discarding indian and chinese engineers?

You don't even have to guess, BLS exposes this data to the public, search for "software developer": https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat11.htm

That is the US only though

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When I ask it this it tells me that it doesn't have information about the city I'm in as it can't access my location. But then it claims that I previously mentioned being in [some town], so it then answers based upon that. I've never told it or talked remotely about this town.

Is that town near by or is it completely out of left field?

It was precisely the correct exurb of a major centre. The model/system seems to think it doesn't have my location, but some preconditioning data sent to the session must be sending it in.

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If you look at attempts to actively rewrite history, they have to because a hypothetical model trained only on facts would produce results that they won't like

Models aren't trained on pure "facts" though - they're trained on a dataset of artifacts that reflect today's and yesterday's biases from the world that created them. If you trained a model purely on past history, it would see a 1:1 correlation between "US President" and "man" and decide that women cannot be President. That's factually incorrect, and it's not "rewriting history" to tune models so they know the differ…

That is not my point. Even if we had a model that could portray reality as objective as possible, a lot of people wouldn't like that and be actually offended by it.

This has also been going on a lot in the "representation" discourse.

A bohemian village 500 years ago would have been 100% white in almost all circumstances. Surgents would be male. Telephone scammers Indian and so on.

But in many ways, simply showing reality is not only not wanted but even offensive. What has to be shown is an idealized version of reality that we want to achieve and that is "more diversity". And what is maximum diversity? Zero white people.

> If you trained a model purely on past history, it would see a 1:1 correlation between "US President" and "man" and decide that women cannot be President.

Why would you think that? You and me also know the history but also realize that a woman can be president.

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