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Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by nebula8804 »

At this point I have been disappointed so many times by what they release that I just come up with a task I successfully had ChatGPT4 do and just paste it into both tools to compare answers. That is the easiest way for me to tell if they have caught up or not.

In this case, I asked it to look at a CSV of 100 transactions from a recent trip and give me some insights. ChatGPT4 gave me a breakdown of the transactions and told me where all the money went.

Google: I cannot process this amount of data.

just pastes the first 50 lines

I cannot process this data.

pastes 20 lines.

I cannot answer this question at this time.

Ok then, I guess I'll keep using ChatGPT.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by marktl »

DannyBee wrote: post #386
ipsum2 wrote: post #82

In the 20 minutes of experimentation, I'm really impressed with the quality of Bard Advanced (Gemini Ultra). The results are as good as GPT-4, and in some cases is better. So far: pros: - better at translation (tried Chinese and Japanese idioms to English) - better at incorporating search results in its answer vs gpt-4 bing cons: - slightly worse at coding - censorship is more annoying (have to ask multiple times abo…

so I have done a lot of transcripts, coding, one versus the other (gpt4 vs ultra). Often simple prompts like refactor this code or convert this python to typescript. My experience is that Gemini ultra understands the code better, but doesn’t always give me as complete of results (they seem to limit output length more) Beyond that it is very smart. I’ve had to tell me this code packs 12 bit integers into different par…

With GPT 4's context window I've had no luck with more than 2k lines of code in a single prompt.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by cruffle_duffle »

crazygringo wrote: post #761
gnicholas wrote: post #630

I'm surprised they got rid of the Bard name. It struck me as a really smart choice since a Bard is someone who said things, and it's an old/archaic enough word to not already be in a zillion other names. Gemini, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as particularly relevant (except that perhaps it's a twin of ChatGPT?), and there are other companies with the same name. EDIT: I can see the advantage of picking a name t…

I'm not surprised -- I thought Bard was terrible branding. It's all associations with Shakespeare and poetry and medieval England, and as much as I might personally enjoy those, it's extremely backwards-looking, with archaic connotations. Also it sounds close to "beard" -- hairy stuff. Gemini sounds like the space program -- futuristic, a leap for mankind. It's got all the right emotional associations. It's a constel…

> Gemini sounds like the space program

LOL, maybe I'm a bit jaded but Gemini sounds like some kind of cryptocurrency scam.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by daniel_reetz »

cruffle_duffle wrote: post #953
crazygringo wrote: post #761

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not surprised -- I thought Bard was terrible branding. It's all associations with Shakespeare and poetry and medieval England, and as much as I might personally enjoy those, it's extremely backwards-looking, with archaic connotations. Also it sounds close to "beard" -- hairy stuff. Gemini sounds like the space program -- futuristic, a leap for mankind. It's got all the right emotional associations. It's a constel…

> Gemini sounds like the space program LOL, maybe I'm a bit jaded but Gemini sounds like some kind of cryptocurrency scam.

I hear echoes of astrology, personally, and not good ones.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by MintsJohn »

ipsum2 wrote: post #82

In the 20 minutes of experimentation, I'm really impressed with the quality of Bard Advanced (Gemini Ultra). The results are as good as GPT-4, and in some cases is better. So far: pros: - better at translation (tried Chinese and Japanese idioms to English) - better at incorporating search results in its answer vs gpt-4 bing cons: - slightly worse at coding - censorship is more annoying (have to ask multiple times abo…

I tried it with rust, it's so bad it's simply not usable, it hallucinates methods and even the syntax is wrong at some points (it especially can't get error types correct or seems). Gpt4 doesn't handle rust perfect either, but the code it produces is good enough to only need some touch-ups, it can explain and fix wrong use of (we all known) libraries and even gets async code. But it's especially great for boilerplate, saves so must typing.

I was hoping openai/gpt4 would see some healthy competition, but Gemini doesn't seem to be it. Of course, the rust language might be an edge case.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by Terr_ »

earth_walker wrote: post #723
oakashes wrote: post #674

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that Google is well-positioned, but they were also well-positioned to take advantage of these synergies with Google Assistant for many years and I would say that that did not meaningfully materialize in a way that was helpful to me as an Android and Google ecosystem user.

Agreed. I've run the house using google minis and assistant for years now, and asking assistant to do / about stuff has not improved one iota in that time and has introduced several more quirks and bugs. Makes me wish I had bet on Alexa or Apple instead.

Yeah, for example just yesterday I was driving and an alarm went off for the phone in my pocket. I told Google Assistant to silence the alarm... and it refused, insisting no alarms were active. How the hell can such a simple use-case be failing so badly?

I suppose it doesn't matter, because they're going to disable the functionality entirely, [0] and setting ephemeral alarms is the literally the most common thing I ever ask it to do!

Part of what makes all the assistant-stuff so damn frustrating is that it's an opaque "try something random and hope for the best" box, and whenever it fails there's usually zero information about why and no resolution path. (In a way you can generalize that to a lot of "AI", which is depressing.)

[0] https://www.androidauthority.com/removing-google-assistant-f...

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by JohnFen »

crazygringo wrote: post #761
gnicholas wrote: post #630

I'm surprised they got rid of the Bard name. It struck me as a really smart choice since a Bard is someone who said things, and it's an old/archaic enough word to not already be in a zillion other names. Gemini, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as particularly relevant (except that perhaps it's a twin of ChatGPT?), and there are other companies with the same name. EDIT: I can see the advantage of picking a name t…

I'm not surprised -- I thought Bard was terrible branding. It's all associations with Shakespeare and poetry and medieval England, and as much as I might personally enjoy those, it's extremely backwards-looking, with archaic connotations. Also it sounds close to "beard" -- hairy stuff. Gemini sounds like the space program -- futuristic, a leap for mankind. It's got all the right emotional associations. It's a constel…

> Gemini sounds like the space program

That isn't at all the association I have with that word. I think of the astrological sign instead, so to me the association is pseudoscience and a hint of being bipolar.

This sort of thing is part of what makes naming things difficult. You can't count on any name having the same connotations to everyone.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by summerlight »

windthrown wrote: post #889
summerlight wrote: post #765

Beside of the model quality or whatever, I think the subscription plan tiers are structured in a quite weird way, especially for those who already use Google One. Previously, the tiers are reasonably structured: 1. $9.99/month for 2TB + other benefits. Offered in both monthly and annual plans. 2. $24.99/month for 5TB. Includes all benefits above. Offered in both monthly and annual plans. 3. Higher tiers for 10~30TB.…

I'm a Google Fi user but have not tried to sign up yet. Would you mind expanding on your point about Fi affecting the ability to upgrade?

https://support.google.com/googleone/answer/14534406#zippy=%...

Looks like they got some complaints from Fi users and now they've updated their wording to a more reasonable one; previously it was something like "no, you can't, you gotta remove your Google Fi Unlimited benefits via customer service" or similar.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by [deleted] »

josephjrobison wrote: post #844
crazygringo wrote: post #761

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not surprised -- I thought Bard was terrible branding. It's all associations with Shakespeare and poetry and medieval England, and as much as I might personally enjoy those, it's extremely backwards-looking, with archaic connotations. Also it sounds close to "beard" -- hairy stuff. Gemini sounds like the space program -- futuristic, a leap for mankind. It's got all the right emotional associations. It's a constel…

The alliteration beauty of Google Gemini cannot be denied.

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Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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Post by replwoacause »

Still not better than ChatGPT. I gave it some tax related questions with URLs to use as source, it flopped badly but ChatGPT absolutely nailed it, even getting the complicated tax logic correct. Same experience asking it to analyze code. It is objectively worse than ChatGPT still.
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