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The pro-Israel information war
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#952If I'm ever fired for taking a pro-Palestinian stance, I will spend the rest of my life suing everyone involved. The capital community has crossed so many lines in their witch hunt for pro-Palestinan voices that it's not even funny. Our industry has reached a breaking point and I'm not sure what's going to happen since most of the VCs are extremely pro-Zionism and a huge portion of people under the age of 45 are pro-…
Yup,anyone with a brain and access to internet (non mainstream media) is pretty much against Israel exercising ethnic cleansing on Palestinian people. And you're right, young people tend to be more empathetic and less likely to support a bully.
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#953I really wished Israel didn’t blatantly start airbombing Gaza civilian infrastructure and blockade food, water, gas. When Russia does this on Ukraine, we call them war criminals but when Israel does it on Palestinians we call it business as usual. The idea of military revenge doesn’t get us anywhere. Defense is the best offense. Little gains the world made in Middle East stability have now been reversed for decades.…
What, specifically, should they have done instead?
It's Incredible how many people here are ok with genocide and ethnic cleansing.
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#954Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right now, there is nowhere else in the world where so many civilians are being killed. Nothing else even comes close. 20k deaths in just two months is a massive death toll for such a short conflict. For comparison, it's more than the civilian death toll in the nearly 2-year-old war in Ukraine. The other thing is that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has been going on for decades, and many people have formed strong o…
> 20k deaths in just two months is a massive death toll for such a short conflict. This is the number provided by Hamas. Per Israel, 15k people have been killed, approximately 10k of whom are civilians. > For comparison, it's more than the civilian death toll in the nearly 2-year-old war in Ukraine. This is according to numbers sourced from Russians. According to Ukrainians, >20k civilians died in Mariupol’ alone (a…
> Per Israel, 15k people have been killed, approximately 10k of whom are civilians.
Oh much better! If true, seems perfectly justified and A-ok!
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#955I have no skin in this game. What I have seen is a confusion (perhaps intentional) between anti-semitism, and protesting Israel’s behavior since the Hamas attack in October. Criticizing Israel’s response is not anti-Semitism- it is literally just criticizing the response.
>Criticizing Israel’s response is not anti-Semitism- it is literally just criticizing the response. Okay - then what should be Israel's response? For me what they are doing is the bare minimum with the minimum casualties from the options they have. Hamas is Gaza's government. Hamas has intertwined the civilian and the military infrastructure. Hamas has made sure that the civilian Palestinians will suffer if you targe…
I'm not sure if Israel killing 14-16x the amount of citizens that Hamas did qualifies as a bare 'minimum'
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> equally abohorrent Comparing it to the Ukraine's invasion and we can see this is so much more "invasive". There's a literal wall around 2M ppl with little agency, while most of them are refugees from the other side of the wall. To methis is one of the most abohorrent conflicts in earth in this day and age. Given South Africa is no longer segregated, and Rwanda reconciled. I'd be interested to hear what's equally ab…
> There's a literal wall around 2M ppl with little agency, while most of them are refugees from the other side of the wall. There is a really very simple solution for them to have all of the dignity, agency, independence, prosperity, peace, sovereignty, stability to raise children, etc that you and I want for the Palestinian people. They only have to - and hear me out - not kill Jews. It really is that simple. Don't…
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#957I really wished Israel didn’t blatantly start airbombing Gaza civilian infrastructure and blockade food, water, gas. When Russia does this on Ukraine, we call them war criminals but when Israel does it on Palestinians we call it business as usual. The idea of military revenge doesn’t get us anywhere. Defense is the best offense. Little gains the world made in Middle East stability have now been reversed for decades.…
very interesting to see the contrast between the two conflicts in terms of economic sanctions, or the lack thereof.
to me this topic goes to show that if you remove the US-centric discourse out of a world event, you get to actually see the real nuances in what the direct parties are doing.
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#958What an absolute mind-fuck. I think the greatest thing the Moscow-Teheran-Beijing "bot army diplomacy doctrine" is showing us is that you can radicalize both the US right AND the US Left at the same time by speaking to each side's idiocies at full throat. We are nearing Elders of Zion territory here where the ratio of 2 Billion Muslims to 15 Million Jews, and thus the constant stream of anti-Israeli propaganda, now c…
There are ~9 Senators and 26 House representatives who are Jewish. There is only 1 Palestinian, and as the article pointed out, many from the pro-Israel faction are vying to have her expelled from congress.
Further, in the US, nearly every presidential candidate or prominent politician has staunchly taken the side of Israel, reiterating their 'right to defend' whenever the mass casualties of Gaza are brought up. Many in Biden's admin have given interviews saying this sentiment as well.
So while I'm sure your statistics are correct, I think it's a misnomer to say that there is more anti-Israel propoganda or pro-Israel or anti-Palestinian, etc. It's a moot point. The most clear point to me is that most gov't officials are supporting Israel's war no matter what.
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The term "anti-semetic" is in and of itself "anti-semetic". It obfuscates the fact that palestinians are true semites by conflating itself with any anti-jewish sentiment or criticism. The modern israeli's are not semites. Those that settled after WW2 were eastern european converts, khazars, with no genetic ties to the middle east. Those that are not ashkenazi are migrants from the surrounding countries, who largely d…
Nah. The term Semitic was coined to refer to a class of languages, not people. The term anti-Semite was used by anti-Semites such as Heinrich von Treitschke and the Antisemetic League to describe their anti-Jew stance. This is the word as it means today. The modern attempt to make it refer to Arabs and other Semitic-language speakers is itself an anti-Semitic attempt to rob the term of meaning. Nice try, though.
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Nah. The term Semitic was coined to refer to a class of languages, not people. The term anti-Semite was used by anti-Semites such as Heinrich von Treitschke and the Antisemetic League to describe their anti-Jew stance. This is the word as it means today. The modern attempt to make it refer to Arabs and other Semitic-language speakers is itself an anti-Semitic attempt to rob the term of meaning. Nice try, though.
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