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They could make ChatGPT++ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_J%2B%2B
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OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns
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Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns
#952I don't really understanding why the workforce is swinging unambiguously behind Altman. The core of the narrative thus far is that the board fired Altman on the grounds that he was prioritising commercialisation over the not-for-profit mission of OpenAI written into the organisation's charter.[1] Given that Sam has since joined Microsoft, that seems plausible, on its face. The board may have been incompetent and shor…
> I don't really understanding why the workforce is swinging unambiguously behind Altman. Maybe it has to do with them wanting to get rich by selling their shares - my understanding is there was an ongoing process to get that happening [1]. If Altman is out of the picture, it looks like Microsoft will assimilate a lot of OpenAI into a separate organisation and OpenAI's shares might become worthless. [1] https://www.f…
Ugh, I’m never been more disenchanted with a group of people in my life before. Not only are they comfortable with writing millions of jobs out of existence, but also taking a fat paycheck to do it. At least with the “non-profit” mission keystone, we had some plausible deniability that greed rules all, but of fucking course it does.
All my hate to the employees and researchers of OpenAI, absolutely frothing at the mouth to destroy our civilization.
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This is MSFT we're talking about. Aggressive legal maneuvers are right in their wheelhouse!
Yes, this is the exact thing they did to Stacker years ago. License the tech, get the source, create a new product, destroy Stacker, pay out a pittance and then buy the corpse. I was always amazed they couldn't pull that off with Citrix.
Another example: Microsoft SQL Server is a fork of Sybase SQL Server. Microsoft was helping port Sybase SQL Server to OS/2 and somehow negotiated exclusive rights to all versions of SQL Server written for Microsoft operating systems. Sybase later changed the name of its product to Adaptive Server Enterprise to avoid confusion with "Microsoft's" SQL Server.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_SQL_Serve...
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Except for when it's actual malice vOv
It could be both. And in many situations malice and stupidity are the same thing.
How can {deliberately doing harmful things for a desired harmful outcome} and {doing whatever things with lack of judgment and disregard to consequences at all} be the same thing? In what situations?
Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns
#955A lot of people here seem to be forgetting [Hanlon's Razor]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor ) > Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
You seem to forget that Hanlon's Razor isn't a proven concept, in fact the opposite is more likely to be true, given that pesky thing called recorded history.
Hanlons razor is true because it’s more entertaining, and our simulation runs on stories as they’re cheaper to compute than honest physics.
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This is wrong. Microsoft has no such rights and its license comes with restrictions, per the cited primary source, meaning a fork would require a very careful approach. https://www.wsj.com/articles/microsoft-and-openai-forge-awkw...
I think without looking at the contracts, we don't really know. Given this is all based on transformers from Google though, I am pretty sure MSFT with the right team could build a better LLM. The key ingredient appears to be mass GPU and infra, tbh, with a collection of engineers who know how to work at scale.
>MSFT with the right team could build a better LLM
somehow everybody seems to assume that the disgruntled OpenAI people will rush to MSFT. Between MSFT and the shaken OpenAI, I suspect Google Brain and the likes would be much more preferable. I'd be surprised if Google isn't rolling out eye-popping offers to the OpenAI folks right now.
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> I don't really understanding why the workforce is swinging unambiguously behind Altman. Maybe it has to do with them wanting to get rich by selling their shares - my understanding is there was an ongoing process to get that happening [1]. If Altman is out of the picture, it looks like Microsoft will assimilate a lot of OpenAI into a separate organisation and OpenAI's shares might become worthless. [1] https://www.f…
Surely they're already extremely rich? I'd imagine working for a 700 person company leading the world in AI pays very well.
Only rich in stocks. Salaries are high for sure but probably not enough to be rich by Bay Area standards
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he even posted a apology: https://x.com/ilyasut/status/1726590052392956028?s=20 what the actual fuck =O
Naive is too soft a word. How can you be so smart and so out of touch at the same time?
Specialized learning and focus often comes at the cost of generalized learning and focus. It's not zero sum, but there is competition between interests in any person's mind.
Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns
#959Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is wrong. Microsoft has no such rights and its license comes with restrictions, per the cited primary source, meaning a fork would require a very careful approach. https://www.wsj.com/articles/microsoft-and-openai-forge-awkw...
They could make ChatGPT++ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_J%2B%2B
>They could make ChatGPT++
Yes, though end result would probably be more like IE - barely good enough, forcefully pushed into everything and everywhere and squashing better competitors like IE squashed Netscape.
When OpenAI went in with MSFT it was like they have ignored the 40 years of history of what MSFT has been doing to smaller technology partners. What happened to OpenAI pretty much fits that pattern of a smaller company who developed great tech and was raided by MSFT for that tech (the specific actions of specific persons aren't really important - the main factor is MSFT's gravitational force of a black hole, and it was just a matter of time before its destructive power manifests itself like in this case where it just tore apart the OpenAI with tidal forces)
Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns
#960Honestly, if Altman stays gone and they burn the motherfucker down it might be a good lesson for Silicon Valley on the wisdom of throwing out founders.
I don't expect it to happen, but a boy can dream.
They would be studying that one in business schools for the next century.