Part of the problem is government regulation. In some places, it's almost impossible to build new houses due to regulations. Some portion of the population wants to see house prices continue to increase and they will vote for politicians who will implement policies which will support that agenda. Of course this happens at the expense of another, also large portion of the population who do not own a house and have to…
It's odd to me that the wrong take has risen to the top of the comments, but not surprising. HN isn't what it used to be, demonstrated by how long threads dominate the front page while the actual answers fall below the fold. Regulation isn't the problem, or even part of the problem. Wealth inequality is. Which is counterbalanced by progressive taxation. But none of you want the rich to pay taxes, so here we are. Quit…
The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression
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Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression
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This kind of zoning also builds desireable neighborhoods. The neighborhood I live in has six-ten unit apartments on the same streets as six-to-ten bedroom mansions. In some places, you can see where the owner of the mansion had an apartment building constructed in their front yard. I could never imagine this happening today. Yet everyone in the region knows of this neighborhood as being prestigious, with the best sch…
This sounds a lot like my neighborhood. The zoning is very mixed and the outcome is great. It’s now a highly desirable area.
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Not true. Automobiles have become vastly better at all price points over the last 50 years. Safer, more fuel efficient and longer-lasting. The same applies to smartphones, PCs, televisions, etc. And laser eye surgery. And passenger air travel since the Carter administration de-centralized (de-regulated) it in the late 1970s.
I won't comment much on automobiles - I don't buy new, and don't know anyone who buys new. It's all used market, and we're dreading the day the newest, touchscreen-controlled cars will be all that's available. But it appears to me that this market is highly regulated - safety, fuel efficiency and longevity still hit the bare minimum, just the legal minima have been tightened over the years. Laser eye surgery - I wasn…
Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression
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Not true. Automobiles have become vastly better at all price points over the last 50 years. Safer, more fuel efficient and longer-lasting. The same applies to smartphones, PCs, televisions, etc. And laser eye surgery. And passenger air travel since the Carter administration de-centralized (de-regulated) it in the late 1970s.
I won't comment much on automobiles - I don't buy new, and don't know anyone who buys new. It's all used market, and we're dreading the day the newest, touchscreen-controlled cars will be all that's available. But it appears to me that this market is highly regulated - safety, fuel efficiency and longevity still hit the bare minimum, just the legal minima have been tightened over the years. Laser eye surgery - I wasn…
That's just because customers want something different. If the law requires 25 MPG and the carmakers can either give you a smaller, slower car that gets 60 MPG or a bigger, faster car that gets 25 MPG, lots of people pick the second one. Then you say they're barely meeting the minimum fuel efficiency but really the customer is the one making the trade off.
> Passenger air travel - you must be traveling first-class only to not notice that everything below is bottom-tier and getting noticeably worse every year. Sure, it's more affordable - I don't dispute that - but it's a question of how bad can quality go before it trumps price.
Air travel is a really weird market because the capital investment is huge but the market is fairly competitive, which is a recipe for bankruptcies. Make a bad prediction about customer demand or future fuel costs and you're not making enough to pay back the bank. Then they have to get creative or go out of business.
They tried price fixing for a while and got in trouble. The current trend seems to be cost cutting so they can lower the price and keep the seats full. It's the same thing as the cars: Customers keep picking the one with the lowest price, so they keep finding ways to lower the price.
> Smartphones, televisions - all examples of what I'm talking about. A huge amount of bottom-tier products, a few high-end flagship products. There's a degree of market segmentation so there's still some middle-tier options, but my impression is, they're rapidly dragged to the bottom.
This, and really most of the rest of your examples, is a result of China's long-term strategy to dominate manufacturing. Which is, use profits from one industry to subsidize another one until it dominates that too.
When they enter an industry their products are crap because they don't know how to do it yet. So no one would buy them. So they subsidize the price until they're cheap enough that people do. In a normal market they'd go out of business, but the government is financing their losses, so they don't.
Which destroys the middle tier products or forces them to slash quality and compete on price, because customers would pay more for them, but not infinitely more. And the low-end junk gets subsidized until it's cheap enough that people choose it.
That doesn't really apply to real estate. Real estate is already heavily tiered by price. If the 20th percentile house in a city is $200k and the 80th percentile house is $800k there will also be plenty of everything in between. It's not like the 20th percentile house is $200k and the 75th percentile house is $210k and the 80th percentile house is $800k.
Meanwhile most of the housing is still going to be the existing housing. If they build luxury housing, affluent people will buy it. If they build tiny studios, price-sensitive people will buy it. In either case you now have those people not bidding against you for the housing that already exists.
You are also under no obligation to wait for them to build something and then take whatever they offer. You can go to a construction company, tell them what you want and have them build it for you. You can get whatever you want -- if the zoning doesn't prohibit it.
Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression
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It’s big companies but it’s also (mostly?) the nice retired insurance agents and school teachers who like their quiet neighborhood and the fact that the house they bought 30 years ago can be sold for 4x its inflation-adjusted purchase price when they’re ready.
> It’s big companies but it’s also (mostly?) the nice retired insurance agents and school teachers Those retired agents and teachers have exactly zero influence on local and state politicians. Those big companies who host fund raising dinners at the CEOs mansions and contribute millions? Yes, a lot of influence. To the point where we've seen plenty legislative bills which turn out to be just cut & paste from what som…
It is actually the local voters who decide who governs the town. But when residency in the town requires you to own a house, the existing residents vote for people who make housing prices go up.
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It is government policy. Specifically, it is restrictive zoning. Landlords do not get to set prices to whatever they want, they set prices to what the market will pay. If rent has gone up faster than inflation it just means that demand has increased or supply has decreased in that time. You can build apartments for ~$250 per sqft. The issue is that local governments make it really hard to build more apartments. If yo…
>If rent has gone up faster than inflation it just means that demand has increased or supply has decreased in that time. Not quite. Landlords have the ability to fake demand in order to raise prices. One of the ways they do so is by leaving units intentionally empty (as they've done in NYC), which artificially restrains supply and allows them to raise prices on the units they own much higher than they'd normally be i…
That kind of thing only makes sense if the city is imposing some kind of rent control or similar so they can't rent them out for the market rate and start getting weird incentives for rich people accounting chicanery.
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> The issue is oligopolies. Few large businesses that own the majority of available rentals and thus can set prices to whatever they like to rake in the profits. Even if it's true that a few large businesses own most rentals, that kind of oligopolistic behavior should be undercut by new people entering the market by building more apartments - unless there's a big barrier to entry, like the difficulty in building thin…
> Even if it's true that a few large businesses own most rentals, that kind of oligopolistic behavior should be undercut by new people entering the market by building more apartments - unless there's a big barrier to entry, like the difficulty in building things when there's restrictive zoning! You're missing the forest for the trees here. The 'new people' entering the market sell the apartments and buildings they cr…
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In 2010, I had a $600/month rental with a kitchen, living room, bedroom, bathroom, in apartment washing machine/dryer and a fairly large walk-in closet. With 13 years of inflation, that'd be $850/month. That apartment now goes for over $1200/month (Almost certainly hasn't been renovated). [1] The issue is oligopolies. Few large businesses that own the majority of available rentals and thus can set prices to whatever…
Inflation isn't a single number that applies to all goods and services. The price of inputs to residential construction have practically doubled since 2018, nevermind 2010 ( https://www.nahb.org/blog/2022/05/building-materials-up-more... ). If it costs twice as much to build a residential structure as it did 10 years ago, then rent will cost twice as much. There's no conspiracy, it's not Blackrock buying up all the h…
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I see where you're coming from, but the "normal people" leave because of these incidents. If you want everyday people riding the train, you gotta make sure that the poorest people in society aren't so miserable that they're unpleasant to be around.
I've never heard someone give the subway as a reason for leaving NYC. They leave because they're priced out of what they consider acceptable housing, the weather, or issues with the city itself. But never the subway.
Re: The elderly are becoming homeless at a rate not seen since the Great Depression
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> It’s big companies but it’s also (mostly?) the nice retired insurance agents and school teachers Those retired agents and teachers have exactly zero influence on local and state politicians. Those big companies who host fund raising dinners at the CEOs mansions and contribute millions? Yes, a lot of influence. To the point where we've seen plenty legislative bills which turn out to be just cut & paste from what som…
You're talking about national politics or state-level politics in big states like California. The mayor of a random town with 50,000 people is not getting a million dollars donated to their campaign by anybody. It is actually the local voters who decide who governs the town. But when residency in the town requires you to own a house, the existing residents vote for people who make housing prices go up.
There is no such place in the USA. Residency means you live there, which you can do also by renting a place. Then you get to vote on all local elections.